Hi Doctor,
"Are they just jumping around between companies?"
No-ways they dont jump around between companies.
But if a better offer is made who wouldn't
And what does that mean... You loose a GOOD DEVELOPER
and there is a shortage of these skills and the company finds it
difficult to employ another since they are not sure of the SKILL LEVEL
of the developer... especially if no skill transfers were done on particular system.
"Are they going to Perth / Dublin / Harare?"
If an off like that arise who wouldnt go...
Its a chance to see a different country plus a chance to earn your salary in dollars.
I dont believe a lot o f developers go overseas
Since here a not a lot... plus the like you say the GOOD SENIOR JAVA DEVELOPERS are safe here.... sounds like MONOPOLY.
Are they retiring?
Who would when they live the life.
I did not say they retire but i said how many would consider early retirement in
any field of work or in any thing that they practice.
Sounds to me that you might live the life of a slave.
"Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ok, so that begs the question - where are the GOOD DEVELOPERS going to?Are they just jumping around between companies?Are they going to Perth / Dublin / Harare?Are they retiring?Kind regards from
Heinz
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Java Mad
Sent: 31 January 2006 16:36
To: [email protected]
Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Promoting AfricaI have to agree with Roland on his 2c.Now thats the reason people are slowly moving away from Java aswell since no company want to skill employees or junior developersThese people are out of job and get into the market of Microsoft's yesMicrosoft .Net, C#, VB.NetAnd i can bet you that if this keeps on going Microsoft .Net will become amarket leader.And i know it takes some time to get cross skilled from ASP VB etc to .Netthe challenge might be worth it......And why does Java Developers have big wallets....Is it becos there is a shortage(Thats why they take advantage of it)Or is it just that they dont give a junior a opportunityAnd why does project nose-dive....Becos they dont want to skill transfer or mentor other individualsand then when the GOOD DEVELOPER leaves there is no 1 to take over...Sorry for the MS PUN....but if we want more skilled peoplegive the junior or entry level people a chanceYOUD BE SUPRISE... or how talented we are
Roland Giesler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Werner Britz wrote:
> Finding a job as an entry-level Java programmer is really
> difficult, even if you have other IT experience. Maybe if
> companies give entry-level Java programmers a chance, things could
> change a bit...
Well I advertised on Clug, Glug and elsewhere a while back for a java
programmer to code a project for me, and got no takers. Repeatedly.
Eventually I got a guy in JHB who does it part-time now and it's working for
us both, albeit too slow really. We had to reschedule the whole project.
Asking around as SUN I have come to the conclusion there are few Java
programmers around.
Now if the school (new IT subject area) would give their courseware a more
real world facelift, we would have quite a few Java developers in a few
years, but having been in teaching for a while, it seems that the progress
and level of skill is really low, unless you have kids that study Java
outside their curriculum at school. Maybe my perceptions are wrong, but
hey, that's what it appears to be like from over here. On th e other hand,
I have supported a move away from Java in favour of Python, since it is so
much easier to learn and understand. (But I guess this is the wrong place
to say so!)
My 2c...
Roland Giesler
Green Tree Systems cc
Phone: 072-450-2817
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin
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