Hi, >I have found that in Cape Town the good Java jobs seldom get advertised. >Instead, they are filled using word-of-mouth recommendations, or "cliques" and >"clubs" as you suggest. I have to agree with this. I was fortunate to start working straight out of Tech, but since then, have exclusively gotten jobs through friends/colleagues recommendations.
Another thing. And I think this is quite important because I see it happening a lot. If you work through a labour broker, be it (BCX, Paracon(ex TQ), etc), they offer incentives (monentary incentives - moocha's green backs - or is that pink, orange and purple??) to all their employees/contractors who can recommend a friend/ex colleague for a position at any of their clients. If the friend is placed successfully -> Jackpot. In that way, they (the labour broker) can cut out the middle man and save on their costs. (ie. job placement agencies). And hence the "cliques" syndrome only get stronger. Also, in the public sector, job placements are done exclusively through labour brokers. And there aren't that many in CT. If for whatever reason you get in their bad books.... Lets just say... it's not a good thing for your future prospects. Based on my experience...(The little that I have...) If you're a serious contractor who knows his stuff, hopping between the brokers is no biggy. If you make a name for yourself at more than one broker (IE. do a decent job)... they'll be sure to take you on for the next contract/job. Regards, --KD Ps, I hope it's ok to mention the names of the above companies... ;) >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14 February 2006 08:23:54 PM >>> Hi Johan, great analysis of the problem - thanks! I have found that in Cape Town the good Java jobs seldom get advertised. Instead, they are filled using word-of-mouth recommendations, or "cliques" and "clubs" as you suggest. We probably cannot change Cape Town. But maybe we can change the way we operate as a Java User Group? Kind regards from Heinz -- Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) Sun Java Champion Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Johan Steyn Sent: 14 February 2006 20:11 To: [email protected] Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed Heinz and ctJUG, Heck, I would not work for EUR 1000 a month. I would rather go to Ireland and earn EUR 8000 a month... OK, I'm biting now... before everyone packs up and leaves for Ireland, where the grass *is* greener, but mainly due to the persistent rainfall - and the soggy, grey weather that accompanies it :) I haven't tried the job market here since I moved to Ireland from Cape Town almost 5 years ago. Guess I'm happy with my position and the fact that I can work in jeans and T-shirt here at Sun (most other companies wouldn't allow it, so I regard it as a perk), while working on technical stuff. But I seriously doubt there are many jobs available for EUR 8000 a month. I would be *very* much happier with that kind of money, and I closely match the requirements Heinz listed. Maybe you could earn that much as a short-term contractor, or at a company that got so much venture capital they don't know what to do with it. I don't know, but it is certainly waaay above the average salary for Java programmers. Finding a job without prior experience is also near impossible - similar to the situation Heinz desciribed in Cape Town - experienced, "good" programmers can earn a fairly good salary, but there are good graduates who can't find work. I earn far less than EUR 8000 per month here, whilst in South Africa I earned many multitudes of R1000 per month and never had a problem finding work. With the cost of living in Ireland, including ridiculous monthly rentals, I am actually able to save about the same every month as I did in South Africa. I have not been able to get my little toe on the property ladder, and I don't think I can whilst paying extortionist monthly rent for a tiny apartment. So I am certainly not rolling in money here. Ireland has become a very expensive city - one of the most expensive in the world, after having been regarded as somewhat of a backward town before the Celtic Tiger phenomenon. Remember how the characters in The Commitments described themselves? For many years people left Ireland to look for work - many Irish went to Southern Africa. The Irish economy was dead and taxes were high. Things changed in the 90's, mostly due to the global economy and Ireland's geographic position and having English as the most widely spoken language. These make it very attractive to American multinationals - especially with the added benefit of tax incentives (for companies, not workers) However, things are changing again: many IT jobs are now moving out of Ireland to the new EU countries, Russia and further (India and China). American companies no longer regard Ireland as an affordable source of IT skills - they are more after the tax incentives than the skills pool. Besides, I know some very good South African programmers and some pretty mundane Irish programmers. My opinion is that Dublin is over-rated, and it is due for a correction. I think that South Africa's industrial base provides a far stronger economic foundation than the bubble economy of Ireland. When I joined Sun Ireland, there were 4 other South Africans: I am the only one left here. 2 others moved back to Cape Town, 1 moved to Australia, and one was riffed but remained here since he has been here more more that 20 years already and his family is here. So, Ireland might be greener, but it ain't necessarily rosier ;) So why did I leave, and why am I still staying? Well, that would be a loong email, which I won't bore you with now unless you are *really* curious. But I'd like to add an observation... clique: A small exclusive group of friends or associates Cape Town is extremely cliquey, and *who* you know is more relevant that *what*you know. Being originally from Zimbabwe, and therefor an immigrant in both SA and Ireland, I have to say that Cape Town and Ireland both suffer from it much more than, for example Gauteng (where I lived longer than both Cape Town and Ireland). Capetonians have a love affair with clubs and societies, and outsiders are made to *feel* like outsiders. I experienced it at UCT and later in local Cape Town companies. Did you go to Westerford? Or (even better) Bishops? Which suburb do you come from? Are you an Ikey or a Matie? Do you belong to a golf club perhaps? What about the (men only) OWL club? Oh, you still have the old tie - fabulous! The job is yours! The problem is that for those who are made to feel like outsiders, it is very easy to mistake it for racism or sexism, which it sometimes is, but not necessarily so. But whether it is or not, cliqueness is damaging to individuals, teh IT industry and ultimately to society itself. In summary, the problem that Heinz mentioned about the IT industry in Cape Town can improve if: * Jobs relied purely on merit - not race, gender, or any or form of clique * Graduates had more opportunities to gain experience Johan. This message and any attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may be legally privileged and/or confidential. If you have received this message in error please destroy it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized usage, disclosure, alteration or dissemination is prohibited. 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