[CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed

[Dr Heinz M. Kabutz]

Maybe we should try to discover, as a group, what makes someone a good Java Programmer.   If I needed to hire someone, I would prefer someone with the following qualifications:   1. BSc Honours in Computer Science 2. Reasonable salary expectations 3. Extremely hardworking 4. Knowledge of the following technologies (not necessarily expert in all): J2SE, J2EE (incl Servlets, JSP, Struts, JSF, JDBC, Ant, JUnit, Design Patterns, IoC, AspectJ, Hibernate, Spring, etc.) 5. Preferably Sun Certified Programmer for the Java 5 Platform   And frankly, the pigmentation of the skin there would not be an issue at all.  So, if I want to compete with other developing countries, I don't think that I could afford to pay more than EUR 1000 per month.  Even that is too high.  In some countries in Europe, Java programmers get less than that.   The way I understand the labour law here, once you hire someone, you are stuck with them.  If he does not perform in the first three months, and I have not given him adequate training / support / handholding / etc. in that time, then I could be taken to the CCMA for getting rid of him / her / it.   So therefore, I would only want to hire someone with good qualifications, who has proven himself by being a reliable good worker at other companies.   Such a person would laugh at EUR 1000 a month.   Heck, I would not work for EUR 1000 a month.  I would rather go to Ireland and earn EUR 8000 a month...   So, Mr Java Mad and the rest of CTJUG, what constitutes a good Java programmer in your eyes?   Would it help if we put together a set of minimum requirements that we present to potential employers?   Kind regards from Heinz -- Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) Sun Java Champion Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 -----Original Message----- From: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ben van der Merwe Sent: 14 February 2006 17:15 To: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed Java Mad, Please re-read Heinz's message. He is taking both you and the topic seriously and is otherwise just challenging you a bit. Regards, Ben Java Mad wrote: Well i have 1.5 years experience in Java and even more experience in Oracle PL/SQL and im not in the industry Now Dr. Heinz you explain that.... Please explian to me why i cant re-enter the Market as a Java....PLEASE DR What makes me different Huh... How many other developers of colour is going through the same thing.   I hope that makes SENSE or is it senseless Dr. "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey Java Mad,   I'm still seeking an answer to the mystery of why there are no available skills here in Cape Town.  Gauteng seems to have the same problem.   Prove me wrong.  No problem.  But give me an explanation that makes sense... Kind regards from Heinz -- Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) Sun Java Champion Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" <http://www.javaspecialists.co.za/> Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 -----Original Message----- From: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com [mailto:CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com]On Behalf Of Java Mad Sent: 14 February 2006 16:03 To: CTJUG-Forum@googlegroups.com Subject: [CTJUG Forum] Re: Java Developer needed Im gona prove you wrong Heinz.... Like you said here is no skills Ive got 1.5 years experience Im not Black neither White maybe Khoi-San, San, not even Malaysian The second minority Still stuck somewhere in between... a proud south african     But still bet a white person will get the post if Riaan will tell the truth about the outcomes of the post Riaan Koegelenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Heinz I am not sure, but the client, for whom we are going to do the contract, has requested a BEE appointment. I would therefore think that they are quite serious about it. Regards Riaan On Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:11:01 +0200 "Dr Heinz M. Kabutz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >Hi Riaan, > >we had an interesting discussion the other day on CTJUG >where I was shot down for suggesting that it is getting >more difficult for white males to get Java development >work and that this is one of the reasons that ! we are >experiencing a shortage of skills in Cape Town. > >In this particular job, how critical is it that the >person be black? > >Kind regards from > >Heinz >-- >Dr. Heinz M. Kabutz (Maximum Solutions) >Sun Java Champion >Author of "The Java(tm) Specialists' Newsletter" > >Tel: +27 (83) 340-5633 > ___________________________________________________________________ For super low premiums, click here http://www.webmail.co.za/dd.pwm http://www.webmail.co.za the South African FREE email service Relax. Yahoo! Mail virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. -- Ben van der Merwe [EMAIL PROTECTED]