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To tell you the truth, Judy, I thought it would open us up to liability to. However, our previous city attorney and his successor have stood behind it. I figure they are willing to defend the Nuisance Policy, I'm willing to enforce it until such time as a challenge stops us. I've always wondered if perhaps the reason they stand behind it is because we ban several types of nuisances, not just body odor--but I'm not sure. By the way, I can honestly say that telling a total stranger that they stink and have to get out of the library ranks right up there with firing an employee that you like (but who misses work 50% of the time). I think both things vie for the title of "Most Onerous Thing I've Had To Do." Deanna Killeen -----Original Message----- From: Nellie Pederson City Library [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: behavior policy This is a message from CTLS-L. Selecting "Reply" will send a message to the entire list. --------------------------------------------------------- Deanna, I think that would open you and the city up to a zillion new liabilities but it is an interesting concept. Since we underbuilt spacewise and the Ladies of the Civic Society that runs us don't want to raise anymore money we haven't got much lounging space so don't have to much problem that way except for the young man who would come direct from his job at Burger King reeking of cooking fat. But he seems to have moved on. Something else will always come along. Judy Merritt NelliePederson Civic Clifton, TX >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/16/02 09:04 AM >>> This is a message from CTLS-L. Selecting "Reply" will send a message to the entire list. --------------------------------------------------------- Judy, I like the gift basket idea. In addition to soaps & bubble bath, you might add a selection of deodorants... Our custodians complained about the homeless people who often wash up in our restrooms. The head custodian even asked us to ban washing up. However, we've chosen to continue to allow it because at least the ones who wash up before coming into to browse or read smell better because they had access to a sink and some soap. We did ban outright bathing, however, after a man was found completely stripped down and washing in the sink. He'd even rinsed out his clothes and hung them on the stall doors to dry. Next time we build or renovate, our staff has suggested we add showers like the truck stops have. They have deemed it a community service, and I can't say I disagree with them. Deanna Frazee Killeen -----Original Message----- From: Judy Duer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 9:00 AM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: behavior policy This is a message from CTLS-L. Selecting "Reply" will send a message to the entire list. --------------------------------------------------------- I would be careful to consult your city attorney before trying to eject them for body odor. There was a case some years ago of a homeless person who successfully sued a library for kicking him out for that reason. However, if your city attorney thinks he can defend the action, then that's a different matter. I'm relatively sure I know who you're talking about. The female of the couple has been banned from our library, not for her odor, but because she continued to try to "sell" her recipes in the library and on the library grounds after being warned numerous times. We finally called the cops and had them warn her off. The husband still uses our library, but doesn't stay long, since he doesn't read himself, but just picks up books for her. If she's trying to peddle her recipes there, you may have another cause to ask her to leave, although perhaps she's learned from her experience here. Sorry you're having to deal with this, I know how difficult it can be! Before we resolved it the other way, we were considering all sorts of measures from writing a letter, to giving her a gift basket of soaps and bubble baths! Judy Duer Temple Public -----Original Message----- From: LIBRARY [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 5:49 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: behavior policy This is a message from CTLS-L. Selecting "Reply" will send a message to the entire list. --------------------------------------------------------- I have a problem that I would like to run information on. Two of the patrons who frequent the Library have very poor hygiene. You can smell them from two feet away and they leave an odor trail where ever they walk. They like to sit together and use the computers, which need to be washed when they leave. Is this something that should be addressed in an acceptable behavior policy? Can someone be denied access to the building for offensive body odor? 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