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A quick tour of churches in Britain will clarify any confusion on the
subject. Most churches are built on top of pagan "hot spots."
Hilary
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From: Edward Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 10:48 AM
Subject: [CTRL] June: CHRISTMAS WISHES
> -Caveat Lector-
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>June:
>
>Excellent post! Very few people are aware of the pagan origins of modern
>Christian observances such as Christ-Mass. (Everyone should check out the
>origin of the use of Christmas trees!) Your words are, as usual,
>brilliantly enlightening in a non-threatening manner. Someone should take
>lessons from you :-)
>
>BTW, wasn't there a study some years ago pertaining to the calculation of
>Christ's birth around the Roman census--purportedly between January and
April?
>
>Edward ><>
>>On Fri, 25 Dec 1998, MShrum wrote:
>>>Remember, contrary to what the advertisers and the media would have
>>>you believe, this is not a "holiday." It is a religious observance
>>>[the term they always use for our Arab friends: Ramadan]. Christmas is
>>>to honor the birth of the Christ child.
>>
>>Well, to begin with, the term 'holiday' comes from the contraction of the
>>word 'holy day', so your objection to the word is meaningless.
>>
>>Secondly, there is NOTHING about December 25th that has ANYTHING to do
>>with the birth of Jesus the Christ, except that the Roman Catholic church
>>decided to put a 'Christian' veneer on pre-existing pagan celebrations of
>>the season...
>>
>>Evidence points to either a spring or an early autumnal birthdate for
>>Jesus the Christ (currently, spring is favored in scholarly circles,
>>based on a comet which would have been visible in the spring of 5 BCE...
>>but other evidence in the past has been used to argue for an early autumn
>>birthdate)...
>>
>>Either way, the beginning of winter could NOT have been the actual birth
>>date of Jesus the Christ...it was a date that fell in the middle of the
>>ancient Roman Saturnalia...it was also the date the followers of Mithras
>>claimed was the birthdate of Mithras...and it also roughly corresponded
>>with the Yule festivities of the pagan northern European tribes..
>>
>>So the Church, after centuries of trying to BAN Christians from
>>participating in the various early winter festivals of their particular
>>geographical area, adopted an "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" attitude,
>>and 'allowed' the festivals to continue, as long as the participants put
>>a 'Christian' interpretation to things...hence, holly was explained to
>>represent Christ's crown of thorns, etc.
>>
>>But you would have been hard-pressed to find anything resembling our
>>modern holiday...even more hard-pressed to find anything representing a
>>RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE, other than a possible midnight Mass (which gave the
>>name to the holiday, e.g. "Christ's Mass")...most festivities more
>>closely resembled modern-day Mardi Gras, with people dressing in costume,
>>and a wild, licentious, lascivious time being enjoyed by all...
>>
>>EASTER is the main holiday of the Christian church, the observance which
>>gives the religion it's whole meaning, and not Christmas...
>>
>>
>>
>>> HAPPY HANNAKAH AND A VERY BLESSED CHRISTMAS!
>>
>>You're 2 weeks late on Hannukah...
>>
>>
>>June
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