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"M. A. Johnson" wrote:
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> nurev forwarded:
>
> "The global perspective: a new opium war"
> <snip>
>
> While it is the responsibility of each nation to implement
> their own tobacco control measures, governmental and
> non-governmental organisations in the USA have a very
> special responsibility:
>
> The exemplar role - showing that 'It can be done.' The
> message from the USA is that smoking rates can be
> reduced and that litigation can have a major impact.
>
> Von Mises stated in _Human Action_:
> Opium and morphine are certainly dangerous, habit-forming drugs.
> But once the principle is admitted that it is the duty of government
> to protect the individual from his own foolishness, no serious
> objections can be raised against further encroachments. A good
> case could be made out in favor of the prohibition of alcohol and
> nicotine. And why limit the government's benevolent providence to
> the protection of the individual's body only?
>
> Nurev opined:
> This slippery slope theory is juvenile and stupid. The government
> might as well repeal all murder laws. Because if the gov. can tell
> you that you are not smart enough to know that you shouldn't kill
> anyone, next they'll tell you you can't have sex with children. Or
> even yell fire in a crowded theater.
>
> MJ:
> What you apparently do not understand is that one's free CHOICE to
> utilize opium, morphine or tobacco do NOT violate another's 'right'
> to his OWN life. I do realize freedom is a scary concept to many.
Freedom is not scary to me. Libertarians are scary to me. They seem to
be
somewhat adolescent. Like you for example. The above statement is
scarily
absurd in its lack of reality perception. YOU MUST BE A LIAR to state
that crack, heroin, alcohol, and tobacco have no affects on people
other
than the users. I won't even dignify your idiotic statement with
obvious
examples of its absurdity.
> Von Mises stated in _Human Action_:
> Is not the harm a man can inflict on his mind and soul even more
> disastrous than any bodily evils?
>
> Nurev opined:
> No. It's not.
>
> MJ:
> Really? Look at how many idiots run rampant believing THEY know
> better than others ... and desire the legalized use of FORCE
> (Government) to enact legislation supporting their delusions.
>
> Do tobacco users desire to limit the freedom of others?
You are just ridiculous man. You are implying that all tobacco users
are libertarian in attitude. Libertarianism has damaged your brain.
> Von Mises stated in _Human Action_:
> Why not prevent him from reading bad books and seeing
> bad plays, from looking at bad paintings and statues and
> from hearing bad music? The mischief done by bad ideologies,
> surely, is much more pernicious, both for the individual and
> for the whole society, than that done by narcotic drugs.
>
> Nurev opined:
> Maybe bad ideologies like Von Mises' and Ayn Rand's, but otherwise
> you can't compare what junkies do to reading bad books and seeing
> bad plays.
>
> MJ:
> What provides *you* with the grand insight as to which ideologies
> are *better* than others? Or that such is incomparable with 'junkies'
> (whatever that might entail?
The ability to think.
> Von Mises stated in _Human Action_:
> These fears are not merely imaginary specters terrifying secluded
> doctrinaires. It is a fact that no paternal government, whether
> ancient or modern, ever shrank from regimenting its subjects'
> minds, beliefs, and opinions.
>
> If one abolishes man's freedom to determine his own
> consumption, one takes all freedoms away.
>
> Nurev opined:
> I ask anyone reading this to do so out loud a few times and tell me
> that it isn't an absurd and illogical propagandistic trick to play
> upon the feeble minded.
>
> MJ:
> What exactly do you find so troubling? Do you not believe an individual
> is 'intelligent' enough to determine his own vices?
Some are, but most are not.
> Von Mises stated in _Human Action_:
> The naive advocates of government interference with consumption
> delude themselves when they neglect what they disdainfully call
> the philosophical aspect of the problem. They unwittingly support
> the cause of censorship, inquisition, intolerance, and the
> persecution of dissenters.
>
> Nurev opined:
> A study in Libertarianism at it's most adolescent. And at Ludwig's
> age too. How pathetic.
>
> MJ:
> Actually it is PURE liberalism -- in it's true state.
Whatever.
> Why the fear of freedom and liberty?
>
> Regard$,
> --MJ
I fear stupidity and and the legitimization of greed. Not freedom and
liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in reality. I
have actually lived in the type of society you theorize about. I have
seen people damage themselves irreparably and even die because those
who they lived with weren't sure that they should step in and save
them
from themselves. It was tragic and unnecessary. Life is more important
than freedom. That's what you clowns can't seem to understand.
If you really want the kind of freedom you and Von Mises and other
Libertarians keep babbling about, then you must live alone so that
your
freedom has no affect on others. But if your behaviors do affect
others,
they have the right to limit what you do. It's in the nature of being
a
social animal.
Joshua2
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