-Caveat Lector-

Joshua wrote:

> Freedom is not scary to me. Libertarians are scary to me. They seem to be
> somewhat adolescent. Like you for example. The above statement is scarily
> absurd in its lack of reality perception. YOU MUST BE A LIAR to state that
> crack, heroin, alcohol, and tobacco have no affects on people other than the
> users. I won't even dignify your idiotic statement with obvious examples of its
> absurdity.

Hey... May I say something?  In case you don't grasp the concept... If you or
anyone else shoves pine cones up his.... well, into his ears, lets say, and it
causes severe irritation to you, BUT you want to do it, why the hell should I
care?  Should we outlaw pine cones?  Of course not.  But if your severe irritation
causes you to throw rocks at passing cars, then eventually you will suffer even
more for that anti-social behaviour, because you force the consequences of YOUR
irrational behaviour on OTHERS.  Your come-uppence, however, should be based on
the throwing of rocks at other people, and NOT foster attempts to outlaw pine
cones.

> > What exactly do you find so troubling?  Do you not believe an individual
> > is 'intelligent' enough to determine his own vices?
>
> Some are, but most are not.

And, we are to suppose, YOU are?  Or rather, YOU and a group of others who agree
with you?

> I fear stupidity and and the legitimization of greed.

Ah.... You do not fear the outlawing of greed?  Thus, if anyone does anything for
a selfish reason, he should be convicted of a crime?  If so, practically every
free exchange of goods and services for money would make criminals out of all the
participants in the deal.

> Not freedom and liberty. I fear ideological theories that have no basis in
> reality.

Then why do you embrace them so?

> I have actually lived in the type of society you theorize about. I have seen
> people damage themselves irreparably and even die because those who they lived
> with weren't sure that they should step in and save them from themselves.

Dear God! Please deliver us from such as would "save us from ourselves!"

> It was tragic and unnecessary. Life is more important than freedom. That's what
> you clowns can't seem to understand.

That is PRECISELY the most wimpish and absurd thing you could say.  It is such a
theory that makes people volunteer for slavery rather than accept responsibility
for their own actions.... Please, Sir, find a kind master for yourself and leave
the rest of us alone.

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