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Ka-
What is your basic gripe about "white liberals"? I'm curious. I'm a
Native American (of European-Native American ancestry)...and I don't
remember "white conservatives" or "white libertarians," for that matter,
risking their lives on freedom rides to the south to end segregation in
the south....or running the risk of ending up in a Mississippi swamp (the
fate of a young Jewish boy and a black boy), because they believed that
Americans of all colors should have civil liberties.
I don't remember masses of "white conservatives" making any effort to help
out in the inner cities....to try to put an end to the hate and racism
that seems to be endemic in our republic.
Instead, whenever "white liberals" tried to use the power of government to
put an end to social inequalities in the country, "white conservatives"
opposed them every step of the way, using states rights arguments..now,
the arguments have changed.... Judging from some of the postings on
this list, the new smokescreen for racists, facists,
hate-mongers and anti-semites among us is the Constitution!!!
And, not surprisingly, the same individuals who find nothing wrong with
the institution of slavery are mouthing Jefferson, Madison, et al.
If that is "libertarianism," I think I'll pass..
I guess I must be one of the deluded masses... I have two daughters of
my own... I want them to be strong feminists...to hear just as much about
"the founding mothers" as they hear about "the fathers." The last thing I
want for them is to marry some chauvinistic bozo.. who views a woman as
his property. So, I'm one hundred percent for women being free of the
kind of crap they had to put up with back in the pre-60s era.... I'm old
enough to remember those days... Since I was raised in that period, I
remember how women were treated... They weren't highly valued.. Whatever
you want to say about "feminnazis" (well...ditto heads love these terms,
don't they?)....generally, women are better off now thanks to the efforts
of "liberals" and "feminists." Of course, I won't defend all of the
mistakes and blunders made along the way.... But I don't see
"conservatives" caring much about anything, except maintaining the
status quo----keep the power in the hands of the same old white males who
make up the good old boy networks...(the same jerks who love to go
adventuring overseas...looking for loot and third world women to play
with).
Every progressive movement in this
country has been fought tooth and nail by people who just want to hang on
to their power and privileges... And when anyone has the courage to point
out the inequities..the gross abuses... they are usually slapped down by
various means. The treaties of my Native American ancestors were never
respected...Their lands were seized by the very same people who crafted
such marvelous documents as the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
So, a lot of us out here are not impressed with these rhetorical exercises
on the glories of the Constitution.
So, I am one hundred percent for "white liberals" and their effort to join
the rest of the human race. I applaud the fact that, at least, they want
to be fair-minded and decent. ... That's more than I can say for the
opposition.
Regards,
Wm
On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, KA wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> On Tue, 8 Dec 1998, nurev wrote:
> >Yeah I bet you like this. You're the fool who studies philosophy at feet
> >of that loonytwat JanaButterfly.
>
> With the above statement, Joshua proves my point regarding the typical
> white male Liberal's attitude towards women...
>
> He is unable to objectively, rationally, and unemotionally discuss
> whatever philosophy 'JanaButterfly' espouses, but can only refer to her
> in gross, pornographic terms.
>
>
> >You think that spouting Libertarian tripe makes you political? Getting
> >key people into government is being political. Minorities and Jews know
> >how to do it.
>
> And by the above statement, he makes my point regarding the typical white
> male Liberal's attitude towards 'minorities', as he displays their
> typical view of 'minorities' as separate from themselves, and not as part
> of 'the movement' these white male Liberals espouse...
>
>
> >You guys are pathetic. You have much more than you deserve.
>
> And how do YOU presume to know how much anyone on this list has, let
> alone what they 'deserve'?
>
> What does ANYONE 'deserve'?
>
> As a woman, I'm SURE [sputter, cough] that you will agree that I
> represent a community which has been oppressed and victimized by you
> white males for centuries (if not millenia), and therefore I DESERVE more
> than you, who represents a class of humanity which has benefitted from
> the labor of women and people of color without giving anything back in
> return...therefore, I have the right to take away everything you have,
> since I DESERVE it more...
>
> [Now removing tongue from cheek]
>
>
> >PS: More in next post.
>
> Spare us.
>
>
> June
>
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