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> An apologist for slavery and . . . You may think what you want, but do you
> realize your rationalzations are inhumane.
"""""""No...I don't see him apologizing...and like I noted in a previous
post...there were black slave owers and there were white slaves as well...but that
tends to be over looked...look at my other post for references in regard to this.
h
> do not personally approve of slavery. Seems you would finally get that
> through your head.
I don't either, and I have the sense to realize that was acceptable than is not
necessarily so now....and things that are acceptable now will not be acceptable in
the future. You have different societies and different mores...will find a
reference if you really need one....and you can not justify or condemn a
society..the past on the mores and beliefs of the now.
> Have you ever heard of the word hypocrite?
"""""""Sorry to get in the middle here..but this post...oh well...did you ever
hear of the term.....never mind...not appropriate on the list.
>
>
> I do not say that "owning a human being is a humane idea" -- but neither is it
> an inhumane act.
> personally do not wish to own a slave nor be a slave.
> -----
>
> Gosh, again, how noble. Gee, you wouldn't wish to be a slave.
>>>Didn't this gentleman also say he did not want to own slaves as well,
> Which I will stand-up again, and again and say -you are wrong.
> >>>>I am sorry don't understand what he is wrong about.
> ===================================
> >Blacks are deprived ?
> http://memory.loc.gov/
>
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>
> http://e.usia.gov/education/amstudy/hislink.htm
""""Do you really know what there options were ? If they stayed in Africa what do
you think would of happened ?? Many times being a slave was safer than other
alternatives at the time.
""""Look at the following article and see what is all provided....I know your mind
is set one way, but look at the other side of the coin.
""""Here is an article you might enjoy...and it is documentated.
"""Atlanta Journal and Constitution, Thurs. Nov. 26,
1998
> SecD-14
>
>"""" "Slaves' descendants honor slavemaster of ancestors"
"""" "Defying political correctness, decendants of Panola County, Texas,
slaves are dedicating a historical marker to the slaveholder who brought their
families here. .....The marker will be dedicated to Spearman "Major" Holland
who brought slaves to East Texas in the 1840's.....
>
"""""Holland Quarters, a black community four miles north of Carthage in
Panola> County on land once used as a plantation. has been home to generations
descended> from Holland's slaves. ..... Research has shown that Holland was know
for
generosity toward his slaves...> According to Barbara Jefferson-Bonner, a Panola
County historian. She stated> "He was a great guy. He cared for his slaves in a
unique kind of way.
When> Spearman left here, hye left his thousands of acres to slaves, who were
ancestors of mine." .....During the Civil War, Spearman served as a captain in
the Texas
State> Troops, 4th Brigade. After the war he moved away and left the land to the
> slaves.......His brother was known to have bought slaves and then free
them.
>
"""""" One of these freed slaves would go on to be awarded the Medal of Honor
while> serving in the Union army during the war......
>
>"""""" (No political comment is intended here, just to share an interesting
story.)
>
""""""I can find other such stories...it was also prefered for one to be a slave
than to be transported back to Liberia....want documentation on that I can get it.
""""""By the way, transporting the blacks back to Africa was a plan of Lincolns.
""""""and please note my other post, the north, many northern states had laws
against black residency in the state.
> >> Your contention that owning people, because of interpretations of
> scripture, a valid human endeavour is ill-founded.
"""""Is it ??? I don't know...is this opinion or fact...everything I have said so
far I can documentate, can you documentate that this is ill-founded.
>
> Again, you are a hypocrite. In "desirable' to you mean worth doing, advisable
> or is it wrong to do?
>
"""""Huh ?
> ==============================
> >
> >
> >> Slavery is wrong, is known by the fact of the actions of slavery, not by
> any vaunted scribblings.
"""""what are the..what were the options at that time...again there were black
slave holders and white slaves. Their were slaves in the north, but they weren't
freed with the Emancipation
Proclamation, none were.
>
> I was paraprhasing some wise words from a wise man. 'By the fruits, ye shall
> know the tree"
>
> Slavery is wrong from the actions of slavery. Simple.
""""Huh ? Is it, was it at the time that they had it, again what other options
were open at that time.
> The social rules were racist.
>
> >Of course they were.... Do you think anyone is denying that? Would you say
> that>there are NO racist tendencies in yourself? Or that racism is to this day
> as
> >>rampant or more than ever before? Or that minorities are not themselves
> racists?
> >
> """"""Yes...ran into that bout a month ago...at Hardees with a young girl around
> two, white girl, she turned around and saw a lady, skinny and blacker than a ace
> of spades...well the little girl threw closer to me, and the lady said something
> about her not seeing a darkee before...I didn't say anything, but her brother is
> black...but it was still the other person that brought up the issue.
>
> If you wish to 'ban' the use of thebiblein determining whether something is
> "right" or "wrong," then don't use it in YOUR>arguments. If you do want to use
> it, you're in a heap o' trouble, boy....and>I>>look forward to the debate.
IF it can provide history like most of the old Testament can, as a historical book
it should be valid
>
> >
> You are just a hypocrite.
""""""Please document why he is a hypocrite...lot of name calling...proof..and if
you want to call a person name you should say I think you are a
hypocrite...otherwise you are stating a fact and he can haul your butt into court.
> ike I said, I was raised in the South, home of gentlemen/women and racism
> fostered by an illegal social and political system.
""""""It wasn't illegal at the time, separate but equal was quite legal. and it
was legal according to the constitution....two major references slaves were
counted as 3/5 of a person for representation...and such. Second one..second
reference said bringing slaves into the country
was legal till 1808.
"""""See the Constitution.
> >It was not LEGAL. It was a sham.
>
> The Constitution of the United States.
""""""NOT !! Separate but equal was the nature of the day.....sitting on the bus,
having differnent rest rooms , bubblers and the like. That was constitutional
Carlene
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