-Caveat Lector- Funny, I don't remember calling out the name Rumpelstilskin, but I guess I did that. By the way I wasn't quoting anyone. I checked out your website and based on that and your comments you really are into coveting. I would suggest you find out where in your area you can review back issues of the Chronicle of Philanthropy. You might then see who really has the wealth and which organizations are being supported. It sure isn't the right that's getting the bulk of the money. All of the causes you support are not being supported by the little guy sending in his $10 bill. All of the "doing good" activities you describe have intruded the government into every area of our lives. After all the controllers have to make sure that the "people" got what they really wanted, made sure the efforts were properly funded, were followed thru in every possible way, nationally and internationally without interference from anyone with a different point of view. You really want me to believe the establishment politicians saw the light that was brought to them by the "people." Remember SDS -- Supply the Demand for the Supply? It works for the one-worlders also. Have you ever seen it in operation in the small discussion groups where a concensus is to be formed? Talk about immoral manipulative behavior!
Just where do you draw the line at capitalism? According to the following study, of the top forty richest Americans almost all of the big capitalists were around in the 1800s. "The study by Michael Klepper and Robert Gunther grew out of research the two did for a 1996 book "The Wealthy 100: From Benjamin Franklin to Bill Gates A Ranking of the Richest Americans, Past and Present." The authors updated their data for the magazine article." People with money are no more or less moral than those with no money. The man or woman who owns five MacDonalds is just as likely to be immoral as the poverty level Mom. Generalizations may make you feel superior to the "capitalists", but stereotypes are dangerous to clear thinking. But thanks anyway for pointing out that there is a New Age culture and what it looks like to the true believer. -----Original Message----- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark S Bilk Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 10:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why most Americans are unable to perceive and protest America's slide into fascism -Caveat Lector- In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:53:54PM -0500 Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com On Sun, Jun 15, 2003 at 04:53:54PM -0500, Zuukie wrote: >... This is one of the most vicious, anti-human, right-wing propaganda pieces I've ever seen. Comments below... >America started to slide into Fascism long before Bush came into >office. It happened so gradually that no one noticed that it was >happening. As government power grew and individuals became less >involved in government at all levels, leaving it to the professionals, >fascism came to power. U.S. Fascism was engineered by Nixon, Reagan, GHW Bush, Clinton (of the right wing of the Democratic party) GW Bush and the people behind them. Fascism is violent, deceptive, domineering government by and for wealthy capitalists. >At one time civics was taught in the schools, and students learned how >federal, state and local government worked. Then Civics was taken out. >The flower children who had no idea how government worked joined groups >emotionally and protested without ever taking the time to search out >what was happening. Oh so righteous they were. As they grew older they >became even more righteous and came into positions of power where no >one was to challenge their thinking. They brought in every New Age >cockamamie idea with the straightest of faces, giving government more >and more power. The only increases in government power pushed by flower children were (and are) regulations on businesses to limit environmental damage, set minimum wages, protect workers and consumers, prevent discrimination against non-whites, women, homosexual people. They also want to decrease government power by legalizing victimless sex and drug activities. >Clever they were. They presented their ideas as if they were the >outsiders, fighting the establishment. Everybody likes an underdog and >few take the time to look into the backgrounds of the thousands of >front groups operating. (See the Encyclopedia of Associations for a >general idea of how many groups are operating here and >internationally.) God help you if you wanted to challenge an >environmental group, a peace group, a pro-abortion group, a school >board, a library board or any other branch of government and its >establishment. Conservatives, neocons, etc., challenged these groups all the time, because the changes they recommended decreased the profits of the wealthy businessmen the conservatives and neocons work for. >Gradually, as in Nazi >Germany, the churches and synagogues were turned toward supporting the >secular goals of the flower children and their government, leaving >behind any effort to teach monotheistic morality, and moving forward to >the acceptance of occult spirituality. Morality -- rules to prevent people from harming each other -- do NOT uniquely come from monotheism. The morality of, e.g., various Wiccan religions is much more directed at preventing harm to people and to the planet than Judeo-Christian morality. The claim that anything outside of Judeo-Christian religion is evil "occult spirituality" is a standard Christian Fundamentalist Big Lie, one which they've been using for many centuries as a pretext for discriminating against, imprisoning, torturing, and murdering anyone who practices a religion different from theirs. In fact, Christian monotheists have murdered tens of millions of people for believing in a different religion (the witch burnings) and for trying to practice the same kind of non-competitive pro-human economic sharing (e.g., democratic socialism in Vietnam and Nicaragua) that Jesus would have approved of. >So, the average person gave up >learning what was happening, realizing the establishment enemy was too >big. They were whipped into shape gradually. Forty years have gone >by. Now when someone wants to challenge the state, it's almost >impossible without the support of some sort of well-funded front group, >paid for by who knows. This is total crap. Most people are sheep and don't challenge the establishment because of what they are force-fed by the mainstream news media, which are all owned by the ultra-wealthy, and have been pushing right-wing lies, for the benefit of the wealthy, for decades. The original post about the effects of most schooling (public and private) details additional mind- destroying effects. >Fascism was brought into the country by the hands of the >smug, uneducated flower children. No, Fascism was brought into the country by the conservative and neocon political servants of wealthy businessmen and bigoted religious fundamentalists, who are the vicious and unceasing _enemies_ of the flower children. The previous generation of these right-wing businessmen -- including two of GW Bush's grandfathers -- provided 70% of the funding for Hitler's military buildup. "Zuukie", or whomever he is quoting, is using a standard right-wing propaganda technique -- attributing to their opposition what they themselves have done. >Now when we all are forced to take >on the roles which have been planned for us, yelling fascism will do no >good. We wouldn't recognize real fascism if it stood on the steps of >the Capital and yelled it's name. We stopped fighting Big Brother and >his New Age ideas, and now we are his. Hitler and Stalin would >understand how it happened only too well. "New Age" is consciousness, psychedelics, sharing, pro-human religions like Wicca, environmentalism, full civil rights for non-whites, women, gays, etc. It is the _opposite_ of Fascism. In fact, New Age, hippie, liberal, flower children are at the forefront of the fight _against_ Fascism. Mark S Bilk [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cosmicpenguin.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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