-Caveat Lector- If you take community institutions and relationships, family, acquaintances, friends, children, the schools, etc. out of the picture you might be right. If those two consenting adults find a box somewhere in the outback and stay in it forever and ever, you might be right. Tell me, how is it that we are to believe that everything is connected in the environment and society but that sexual activity affects no one but the two people who are doing it.
You write: "Sexual activity -- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger." Are you suggesting free public brothels might bring an end to frustration and anger in the world? How interesting. You write: "Do not harm anyone." Do you tell them: "I didn't harm you so shut up.!" Fascinating. Does this mean that you will determine if another is to feel hurt, anger or frustration.? Talk about emotional control and allowing others to determine their own feelings! How tolerant and broadminded of you to recognize that your views are those of the new elite and that us who disagree with you can discard thousands of years of discussion on the same topic because, grand guy that you are, have discovered what the cavemen liked to do prior to the coming of civilization. -----Original Message----- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark S Bilk Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2003 4:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] Anti-Gay Hate Messages -was- WARNING: U.N. Group in 'showdown' with religion -Caveat Lector- Organization: http://www.cosmicpenguin.com/911 In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600 Homosexuality -- in fact, any sexual activity between consenting adults -- does not harm anyone (as long as the participants avoid unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease). Sexual activity -- the sharing of mutual pleasure -- is in fact beneficial: it often brings people closer together, and it discharges energy that otherwise might lead to frustration and anger. The purpose of moral rules is to minimize harm to people, so that all may live happily and successfully. Therefore the only basis of morality that makes any sense is, "Do not harm anyone." By this sane pro-human standard, homosexuality and homosexual people are not immoral (as such) in any way. The only reason some people believe they are immoral is the influence of fundamentalist Judaeo-Christian religions. These religions are in many ways profoundly anti-human; their leaders and "holy" books have variously advocated and praised the genocide of many millions of people, as well as the murder of women who have sex before marriage, the murder of adherents of other religions, and the practice of genital mutilation. HIV/AIDS was spread in African nations, and in the male homosexual population in the U.S., by vaccines that were contaminated with the virus (probably intentionally). That is an appropriate topic of discussion for this list. The spewing of murderous hatred against harmless people, as motivated by fundamentalist religion, is not. On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 08:18:00AM -0600, Ctrl wrote: >-Caveat Lector- > >I can't believe that whining sniveling jizz gobbler (Svend Robinson) >has been the incumbent politician for as long as he has. For as long >as I can remember, he's done nothing but slap decent moral Canadians >across the face time and time again. > >While I wish the man no ill, I must admit I'd be pleased to learn he's >dying of AIDS. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "William Bacon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 1:06 PM >Subject: [CTRL] {attack} WARNING signs of the times: U.N. Group in >'showdown' with religion (fwd) > >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 17:01:37 +0000 >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: {attack} WARNING signs of the times: U.N. Group in 'showdown' >> with religion >> >> YOU CAN ALSO READ IT ON THE WEB. >> http://www.topica.com/lists/USAttacked/read >> >> \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ \/ >> >> Subj: U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' >> Date: 8/7/03 11:51:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent from the Internet (Details) >> >> U.N. group in 'showdown with religion' >> Gathered homosexual leaders to sharpen 'rights' strategy worldwide >> >> http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=33984 >> >> © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com >> >> Buoyed by growing political acceptance of homosexuals worldwide, a >> United Nations group promoting "gay" and lesbian rights met in New >> York >> >> to sharpen a multi-pronged strategy that includes a "showdown with >> religion." >> >> The meeting was sponsored by the U.N. Gay, Lesbian or Bisexual >> Employees, known as UNGLOBE, a group officially recognized by the >> worldwide body in 1996. >> >> At a forum Monday, attended briefly by U.N. Secretary General Kofi >> Annan, panel members singled out Roman Catholics and evangelical >> Protestants as opponents, according to the New York-based Catholic >> Family and Human Rights Institute. >> >> Speakers included U.S. Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., who urged Congress >> to withhold support for a free trade agreement with Muslim-majority >> Egypt because of its treatment of homosexuals. >> >> Paula Ettelbrick, executive director of the San Francisco-based >> International Gay and Lesbian Human Rights Commission, or IGLHRC, >> announced a coming "showdown with religion" and vowed Pope John Paul >> II's "call to arms" against homosexual marriage would be successfully >> combated. >> >> Another panel member, Princeton University professor Anthony Appiah, >> wondered whether or not religion should be limited, as it poses a >> "challenge" to the homosexual agenda. >> >> To thunderous applause, Svend Robinson, a member of the Canadian >> parliament, told the Catholic Church to "clean up your own house" >> before criticizing the morality of homosexuals. >> >> Robinson criticized Roman Catholic Bishop Frederick Henry of Calgary, >> calling his actions in defense of traditional marriage >> "unbelievable." >> >> The deputy mocked "born again" Christians, asking, "Did they have to >> come back again as themselves?" >> >> As WorldNetDaily reported, Robinson is the sponsor of a bill that >> would >> >> add sexual orientation as a protected category in Canada's genocide >> and >> >> hate crimes legislation. Opponents believe it would criminalize >> public expression against homosexual behavior, including making >> quotations from the Bible. >> >> The U.N. group that hosted the event is pressing the United Nations >> to recognize same-sex couples and treat their partnerships as equal >> to traditional marriages. >> >> Carol Bellamy, executive director of the U.N. Children's Fund, or >> UNICEF, sent a message of support to the conference. >> >> Annan told panel members the world should become "much more tolerant >> and compassionate." >> >> "I think what is important is that we should stress those positive >> aspects in our society, the things that bring us together, and move >> away from discrimination and persecution," the secretary general >> said. >> >> At a news conference last week, the Atlantic Monthly reported, Annan >> was asked to comment on the debate over what constitutes a family. >> >> "I believe that individuals should be allowed to make their own >> choices >> >> and that we should be careful not to draw conclusions or adopt >> prejudicial attitudes towards people for their choices and >> preferences," he said. "That's not something I think this >> organization should get involved in." >> >> Mark Malloch Brown, administrator of the U.N. Development Program, >> sent >> >> a statement to the organizers, stating, "Discrimination based on >> sexual >> >> orientation not only violates basic human rights but also hinders >> development by immobilizing human capital, stifling expression and >> limiting freedom of choice." >> >> >> >> U.N. Human Rights Commission meeting >> >> >> The panel discussed ways to ensure the success of a resolution at >> introduced at this year's U.N. Human Rights Commission to expand the >> world body's definition of discrimination to include "sexual >> orientation." >> >> Robinson blamed the Vatican for the resolution's failure and promised >> a >> >> global lobby effort to ensure victory next year. >> >> This year's resolution was sponsored by Brazil, but Robinson said a >> "different champion" will promote it next time. >> >> Gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender lawmakers from around the >> world will meet in San Diego this fall to coordinate their efforts, >> he noted. >> >> IGLHRC, the international group, distributed fliers at the meeting >> that >> >> listed laws it wants changed, including "sodomy, age of consent and >> other 'sex-act' laws, laws on prostitution, laws penalizing those >> wearing clothing of the opposite sex and laws on obscenity and >> pornography." >> >> The group also is lobbying against "denial of marriage to same sex >> partners, denial of marriage to transgendered people and laws on >> parenting and adoption." >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> A.K. 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