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--- Begin Message ----Caveat Lector-a blindered and deliberately limited focus on corporations is very often used in an attempt to rehabilitate classic liberalism and anti-statist ideology. the public has been massively ripped off by ad-hoc "corporate welfare" but have, TO AN EQUAL OR GREATER EXTENT, been ripped off by nihilist, gingrichite destruction of government regulatory powers & economic oversight. the privatization of state-run, nonprofit public utilities, which have been a very successful and efficient example of dirigist policy, has resulted in scams that have cost the public billions. now, who is it that is running the covert operations against chavez, with the ultimate goal of *privatizing* venezuela's state-run oil industry? and who is doing the same against saudi arabia in a more subtle way right now, with the aim of privatizing Aramco? and take a look at russia, good god. the vast expansion of the 'octopus' system of money laundering and offshore tax shelters which funds the covert activities of the emerging oligarchal shadow govt. police "state" could never have been put together over the past 30 years without the critical contribution of federal 'meddling bureaucrats' sitting on their hands and refusing to lay down the law. one can look at only one side of the story and find examples of govt. giveaways to corporations using publicly funded research & development, but at the same time, general govt. spending in many areas of public science research and R&D began a sharp nose-dive in the neoliberal reagan years. the federal public-works spending program known as the apollo moon mission created overall economic benefits 10x the cost, according to some estimates. welcome to the world where good & just results require good policy decisions and decent leadership, rather than being dependent simply on categorical ideology. david korten is an example of the "anti-corporate" limited hangout; he peddles the hayekian notion that government intervention and planning are always *inevitably* bad, and portrays corporations and government dirigism as equal and equivalent villains. it's not coincidental that he is a member of the club of rome. as for chomsky, he has been making efforts in recent years to rehabilitate adam smith as a misunderstood "left-libertarian" (note that korten has been doing this too as a central part of his message). again, in his day smith was THE propaganda voice of the british east india company, which is the QUINTESSENCE of the corporate-govt. symbiosis that chomsky claims to be critiquing. he's full of shit. people wonder how chomsky could refuse to acknowledge the facts about JFK... look at how he admires adam smith to start understanding why. also look at the fact that he's a protege and lifelong admirer of bertrand russell, who was simultaneously a "left-libertarian" and world-government promoter. -brian On Jul 19, 2004, at 12:26 AM, mark urban wrote: > The following is from Chomsky's SECRETS, LIES AND DEMOCRACY page 22 > 3rd paragraph through page 23. It is a bit dated but I think it gives > you a reference: > > "On the other hand, the idea that corporations don't ask for > government help is a joke. They demand an extraordinary amount of > government intervention. That's largely what the whole Pentagon system > is about. > Take the airline industry, which was created by government > intervention. A large part of the reason for the huge growth in the > Pentagon in the late 1940s was to salvage the collapsing aeronautical > industry, which obviously couldn't survive in a civilian market. > That's worked - it's now the United States' leading export industry, > and Boeing is the leading exporter. > An interesting and important book on this by Frank Kofsky just came > out. It describes the war scares that were manipulated in 1947 and > 1948 to try to ram spending bills through Congress to save the > aeronautical industry. (That wasn't the only purpose of these war > scares, but ut was a big factor.) > Huge industries were spawned, and are maintained, by massive > government intervention. many corporations couldn't survive without > it. (For some it is not a huge part of their profits at the moment, > but it's a cushion.) The public also provides the basic technology - > metallurgy, avionics or whatever - via the public subsidy system. > The same is true just across the board. You can hardly find a > functioning sector of the US manufacturing or service economy which > hasn't gotten that way and isn't sustained by government intervention. > The Clinton administration has been pouring new funds into the > Natioanl Bureau of Standards and Technology. It used to try to work on > how long a foot is but it will now be more actively involved in > serving the needs of private capital. Hundreds of corporations aree > beating on their doors asking for grants. > The idea is to try to replace the somewhat declining Pentagon system. > With the end of the Cold War, it's gotten harder to maintain the > Pentagon system, but you've got to keep the subsidy going to big > corporations. The public has to pay the research and development > costs." > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Vigilius Haufniensis" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In the US we socailize research and development costs (which means > tax >>> dollars pay for it) and then privatize the profits (which means >>> corporations reap the benefits) . >> >> >> >> VMANN: really? any references on that? >> vigilius haufniensis > > > > > Please let us stay on topic and be civil.-Home Page- www.cia-drugs.org > OM > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <FONT COLOR="#000099">Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. 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