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> In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
> <<Now it's an " Unquestionable " human right to bear arms?>>
>
> Yes, it is unquestionable. Rather than providing a long list of the
> leading constitutional lawyers who agree that the Constitution
> is clear on this issue, we might suggest Joshua2 do his own
> homework before flying off the handle and looking so foolish.
I question it. Others question too. But do enjoy your surety while
you can.
>
> What we all must understand, is that the Constitution itself has
> been suspended for some time now (War Powers, etc.). We
> have seen this fact documented in previous posts to this group.
>
> Critical to our approach to this debate, is to realize that the
> Constitution, whether it be suspended or not, is verily, IN-
> CAPABLE of making guaranties toward the Rights of men.
There you go. Now you've got it.
>
> INALIENABLE RIGHTS
>
> Whether they be pro-gun or anti-gun, most people would
> acknowledge that mankind has certain, Inalienable Rights.
Not at all. Rights are a conceptual legal concept. If everybody
plays along, you have rights. If most, or even many people don't
play along, you have bupkes. There is nothing inalienable about
legalisms in the real world.
>
> Since the dawn of time, since mankind had children to protect;
> and since mankind had realized that he possessed SOMETHING
> which others would TAKE: Mankind has sought out ways to pro-
> tect that which has been placed under his care.
That is why god invented Judo.
>
> Undoubtedly, primative mankind utilized the most primative
> "home defense" weapon of them all: THE ROCK.
> snip>
> NRA: The Neanderthal Rock Association
>
> The anti-rock picketers held signs that said, "ROCKS KILL"....
>
> While pro-rock Rights advocates wore square (the wheel
> had not yet been realized) buttons that stated:
>
> "You'll take my rock out of my cold, dead fingers."
I admire this philosophy allot. I would like to see it become
the core philosophy of gun nuts in America. But words are cheap.
It's action that counts. I know you guys have the right stuff to
prove that Darwin is right.
Keep up the good work!
> If Joshua2 is earnest in his desire to live in a country
> without guns, HE SHOULD MOVE TO ONE.
No thanks I'd rather live in this one.
>
> In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
> <<You fuckers>>
>
> "Fuckers" as a pronoun, how quaint. With that in mind, I am
> now offering 10 to 1 odds-- that Joshua2 is NOT in the running
> as a future candidate to be a contestant on Jeopardy.
You are correct.
>
> In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
> <<You fuckers are too crazy to be trusted with lethal devices.>>
>
> Since the ratification of their own gun laws, Canada reports
> that gun-shot wounds are down dramatically; yet, the exact
> opposite may be said of their new problem of homicides
> commited by stabbing.
Thank you. I'll take my chances against loonies with knives. If those
dear boys in Colorado had knives instead of guns, well...
>
> Does the term-- "lethal devices" -- include steak and butcher knives?
>
> (What about those evil rocks, too?)
C'mon, don't get stupid now. This shit works on NRA types not on people
who actually think.
> Seriously, though, are we to forget the lessons of our history?
>
> ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS, ABSOLUTELY.
>
> "Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every
> one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will pre-
> serve it but downright FORCE. Whenver you give up that FORCE,
> you are ruined."
>
> -- Patrick Henry, at the Virginia Convention
No one is talking about giving up force. I'm talking about removing guns
from the hands of a deranged society.
>
> Are gun owners to actually believe that they can set down
> their guns and trust the government?....worse still....
I am much less fearful of the government such as it is, than I am of a
society like this awash in guns. That's the point.
THAT'S THE POINT. And when there are enough Americans who have had it with
NRA and its gaggle of little paranoid duckies, then if you are really
sincere gun nuts, you will have the opportunity to show the ATF and FBI
what you are made of.
>
> The "powers that be" have already shown their lack of trust to-
> ward the public, and this mistrust is voiced in the NWO robots
> like Joshua2--
I? An NWO robot? Aaaaahhhhhhh ha ha ha ha ha ha.
>
> "Guns will make us powerful; butter will only make us fat."
>
> --Hermann Goering, radio broadcast (1936)
Who is this Herman guy? Some fat NRA redneck from Idaho? Can't
even spell his own name right.
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>
> It is always the ruling class, behind the scenes, using the puppeted
> responses of Joshua2's everywhere, in their attempt to convince man
> that ONLY the government should have guns. When gun control is
> proclaimed from the puppets, it appears as a "grass-roots" campaign,
> and not the blatant NWO propaganda which leads to a police state.
Here, let me help you understand NWO politics. It's the divisiveness of
the gun issue that plays into the hands of the NWO elites. That's why
they are on BOTH SIDES of the issue, and why they will make it a campaign
issue for 2000. So if you don't want to help the NWO, join us in ridding
this country of one of its most serious health problems. Physical
attachment to guns.
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> The human condition is the factor that cannot be ignored for
> the purpose of emotional legislation, and the acts of the few--
> who commit massacres like that of Columbine, will never be
> successfully escalated into taking the Rights of the MILLIONS
> upon MILLIONS, who do NOT go on shooting rampages at high
> schools, fast-food franchises, or post offices.
Oh yeah??? Wanna bet? This country has one, maybe two more massacres
left before it becomes a groundswell.
>
> Joshua2 may ignore the underlying factor (the human condition)
> of this subject at his own peril, but not to the loss of others.
>
> Joshua2 uses his "First Amendment Right" to speak out against
> others politically--those with whom he disagrees...and he believes
> that his OPINION toward collecting all guns over-rides the Rights
> of others.
My opinion alone is irrelevant. But there are allot of people starting
to think like me.
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> What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
That's... " What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander."
which refers to a cooked goose.
>
> What Joshua2 needs to realize, is that his OPINION toward col-
> lecting all the guns, comes to a screeching halt--ending at the
> very beginning of the next persons "Second Amendment Right".
And I agree. So what we intend to do is change the 2nd Amendment.
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> In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
> <<We're gonna take your guns away. Na na na na na.>>
>
> Your sing-song will turn to lamentation, the moment you or any
> of your "we" constituency make an attempt toward forcibly
> taking the guns from the law-abiding citizens of this country.
Ooooh scary. It's not I who will take away your guns if possession
becomes illegal. I will comply with the law, and sit back and enjoy
the spectacle of watching my two favorite groups, the Government and
the Gun Loonies improve the gene pool.
>
> There are over 17 million registered gun owners in this country,
> with an estimated three times that amount UNregistered; and
> this fact brings to mind two more quotes:
Enough! No more inane quotes from 18th century lawyers.
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> Again, with 17 million registered gun owners, and
> an estimated THREE TIMES that amount of gun
> owners that remain UNregistered....
I hear you buddy. Just watch how quick that will change.
>
> Joshua2 and his NWO compatriots had better rethink their strategy.
It's coming boys. Sure as shit. Just as sure as the car replaced the
wagon. Basket weaving will replace shooting.
>
> Coming right out and attempting to take the guns--which rightly
> belong to Americans--will only result in the needless shedding
> of blood....A large portion of which, will not be there own, they
> will use their brainwashed minions like Joshua2.
I'm sure they will be given the opportunity to give them up and be
compensated for their property.
>
> If the NWO crowd are as serious as we know them to be,
This is NOT an NWO issue at all. It is an internal political struggle
among American citizens with different views. One or the other side
will win because it has become a matter of life and death.
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> Joshua2, I believe that you are part of one of America's problems
> that is growing at an exponential rate: Cultural Illiteracy.
Wrong again cowboy. Very wrong.
snip>
> You cheer that the chocolate rations have gone up, when
> they actually went down-- and do not know the difference.
I have no idea what this gibberish means.
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> In a message dated 99-05-01 12:27:43 EDT, Joshua2 spews:
> <<Try basket weaving instead.>>
>
> Gun owners need not hide behind gun ownership as a "hobby".
>
> Gun owners own guns, to protect the rest of their Inalienable Rights.
>
> Period.
>
> WHY GUNS ARE HERE TO STAY....
I guess we'll see won't we.
>
> Lastly, we need not bring up this argument:
>
> "Cars kill thousands of people, but they don't outlaw cars."
>
> This argument is easily debunked by the anti-gun ninnies who
> are quick to point out that CARS ARE NOT DESIGNED TO KILL,
> but that....."Guns are designed to kill".
>
> Yes...Yes, they are. Guns ARE designed to kill.
>
> They are also designed to protect the Inalienable Rights of men.
Bullshit! They are a general use item which can be used for different
reasons. Protection is on of them.
> Their powerful design, may also serve the purpose of killing
> people bent on taking that which does not belong to them....
I don't think that a person like YOU should have that power of
life and death.
>
> ....like the Inalienable Rights of the rest of mankind.
>
> :::goes back to playing DOOM:::
> Tsadowq
DOOM is what is in store for die-hard ( pun intended ) gun toters.
Enjoy it while you can.
" Happiness is a warm gun...."
La la la la la.
Joshua2
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