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>Insurance isn't that difficult to get. It's not that expensive either.
Shopping insurance plans may take a bit of effort, but affordable health
insurance is available.
Where I live (SF, CA) the cheapest way to go is Kaiser. It's cheap for a
reason. Kaiser care is far from optimal. My personal observation has led
me to believe it sucks big time.
It costs about $70 a month and up for one person. A single room in a flat
here starts around $450-$500 and is difficult to find at that price.
Higher is normal. Public transit to and from work is ten bucks a week. TB
is rampant, the bus is good place to catch it. A fifty pound sack of rice
is $17. Add in minimum wage and taxes. Do the math.
In a town that lives off its tourists, most food handlers haven't even
been tested for hepatitis which is also rampant. This is a public health
issue. All health is a public health issue.
>As far as optimum health care? That's a thing of the past.
Now, now, don't be such a pessimist. We live in a rich country on a lush
planet. We're a bright species. We can solve this. But we're going to have
to solve it for ourselves. Government CAN'T solve it for us and business
WONT.
>Doctors are still paying off school loans, and don't care whether
optimum care is administered, because there are enough people who have
health insurance who are sick and need their services, that they can
still get rich, and still afford to pay off their loans.
There's a big part of the problem right there. We must totally revamp the
way we train doctors. We need more doctors and more health care providers
in general.
Getting the government out of health care is only the first step. The FDA
is the puppet of the AMA. The AMA is a puppet of the pharmaceutical
companies. For some insight into where they're at read my post not so long
ago about the post W.W.II history of IG Farben. Doctors get rich because
there is an artificially created shortage of health care providers in
general, and yeah, it IS the result of a conspiracy (i.e. not off topic
for this list). For a REAL spine chiller read Lenny Lapon's history of the
role of the post W.W.II Nazi diaspora on American psychiatry in general
and on the power structure of the APA in particular. It's called <Mass
Murderers in White Coats> and it'll open your eyes.
Personally I think we should start teaching nutrition and health care to
our kids right along with the three Rs. In my idea of an ideal future, by
the time you graduate you should be the equivalent of what we call today a
Certified Nutritionist and an EMT, not because everybody should work as a
nutritionist or an EMT, but because sometimes circumstance appoints you
First Responder, and if all you know how to do is dial 911, you are worse
than useless; you're in the way.
By the same token I believe that everybody should learn martial arts,
non-violent conflict resolution, and fire arms proficiency from the very
cradle because sometimes circumstance appoints you First Responder and if
all you know how to do is dial 911, somebody is going to get hurt, maybe
you.
>The only way, anyone is going to get optimum health care is to be one of
the other 230 million people in this country who can afford health care.
Sorry, but that's the way it is.
Accepting the immoral is morally unacceptable. Optimum health care is not
exclusive. Optimum health care includes all who need it.
>the churches of this country should have never given up their position to
help the poor and the needy, then the government would not be legislating
who gets care and who doesn't. Because we know that there are many, many
churches and charitable organizations who could help those in need, but
because of government policies and regulations already poised, they
cannot help, by law.
Good point. I would amend it to "the churches of the world," as America's
churches are by no means the only who display their hypocrisy by teaching
love and practicing selfishness. Christians in particular, though, pick
and choose which parts of their scripture to practice. How telling it is
that most choose to omit Acts 2:44. If they really wanted to the churches
and the NGOs could put an end to suffering and poverty despite government
interference. The churches must be morally revitalized and we need more
NGOs. We need COMMUNITY.
>So, the question then remains, what happens to those who are in
poverty? Ask the Klintoonalgores of this country, then to get off their
duffs and do something about it and quit talking about it. THEN you might
see some reverse in the poor quality of health care and poverty in this
country.
I beg to differ. If a statist solution were possible it would have
happened by now. Government is owned lock, stock and barrel by the REAL
freeloaders, the rich. So are the corporations. The corporations are more
our REAL government that those things in our various capitals. Workers,
particularly poor workers, have no say at all, not here, not Russia, not
China, not anywhere.
>This is a very unfortunate situation that we can give care to millions of
people in other countries, some who have gotten wealthy off our 'care',
yet we cannot seem to manage the poverty level in our own space.
One could argue that it's a sort of poetic justice, seeing as how America
has grown rich by exploiting the labor and resources of the rest of the
world. Hell, America itself is built on stolen property. But that is no
reason that we here alive today must continue the evil, sinful, disgusting
practices of our ancestors. We have free will. We have the skills. We have
the resources. Let's be remembered by history as the generation that
turned America around. We CAN do it. We MUST do it.
>It's sad; very sad. I agree.
Mourning is not enough. We must fix it. We could be remembered by future
generations as among the greatest Peoples who ever lived. Or we could be
remembered as a pack of callous, greedy, selfish bullies. It's up to us.
>Socialized medicine is not the answer.
Agreed. But neither is corporate medicine. Neither have demonstrated the
willingness or capacity to do the most good for the most people. We must
find a new way.
>The government holds people back. Just like the recent legislation
presented by the Democrat of Minnesota, to "track" former welfare
recipients. It is none of the government's business after they 'force'
them off the programs. They have to let go, and quit dragging them back
into the system. It is a viscious circle. But, that is the way it is.
There you go again with the fatalism. What a pessimist you are. Cheer up,
friend. We can do it. Government can't. Government has made poverty worse.
But then, we let it happen. It's our fault because we have palmed off onto
the state our moral responsibility as Christians, as Jews, as Muslims, as
Buddhists, Secular Humanists, as Socialists, as Libertarians, as
Conservatives, as what-the-hell-ever we call ourselves, to help our fellow
humans. Our failure diminishes our own humanity.
The hand up poor folks need isn't coming from government and it sure as
hell isn't coming from business. It must come from us, the community. In
the old days a family that suddenly found themselves without a barn didn't
go ask FEMA to buy them a new one. The started cooking a feast for the
their neighbors because they KNEW their neighbors were on the way over to
build them a new one and they were going to be hungry at the end of the
job. Today, most people (in this country at least) don't even know their
neighbor's name. This MUST change.
>Until we get some intelligence in the White House and in the other areas
of our government branches that were designed to help those in need, and
quit funding those who can work, who can provide, and screen each
individual treating them as human beings, and as just a name and a number
in a statistic report, you shouldn't expect any miracles.
How can it be that you have so little faith in government on paragraph and
yet in the next paragraph profess that with a mere changing of a couple
of front men or a couple of policies, government is the answer to our
problems? Do you not suffer from cognitive dissonance? Such a basic
internal contradiction would give me a migraine.
>But who knows, the good Lord may smile upon America again, and give her
one last chance to shape up before she's shipped out to sea.
You can put your faith in higher powers, earthly and otherwise, if you
want. I know better. We're on our own. But not to worry. We can handle it.
All we have to do is put our childish ways behind us and strike out on our
own. We have six billions brains between us. We can solve any problem our
species confronts. But we have to do it ourselves. Waiting for some great,
benevolent authority figure (like Mommy, or God or the President) to do
it for us wont work.
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