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Thanks for the informative posting, N. It appears that Baghdad-by-the-Bay
has turned into something of a bum trip.
I guess the S.F. of my childhood is gone.
But so is much of the rest of the United States. ...I'm old enough to
remember a time when every
American town did NOT have bagladies and panhandlers... Sure, we had
poverty and racial oppression....and all of the nastiness of the bad old
days can't be denied, but there is a sense of hopelessness in the cities
that wasn't around back then. ...
Hepatitis, TB....Chemtrails, Littleton, Bosnia.... We're on a death
trip.. and I fear it will get worse.
On Fri, 4 Jun 1999, nessie wrote:
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> >Insurance isn't that difficult to get. It's not that expensive either.
> Shopping insurance plans may take a bit of effort, but affordable health
> insurance is available.
>
> Where I live (SF, CA) the cheapest way to go is Kaiser. It's cheap for a
> reason. Kaiser care is far from optimal. My personal observation has led
> me to believe it sucks big time.
>
> It costs about $70 a month and up for one person. A single room in a flat
> here starts around $450-$500 and is difficult to find at that price.
> Higher is normal. Public transit to and from work is ten bucks a week. TB
> is rampant, the bus is good place to catch it. A fifty pound sack of rice
> is $17. Add in minimum wage and taxes. Do the math.
>
> In a town that lives off its tourists, most food handlers haven't even
> been tested for hepatitis which is also rampant. This is a public health
> issue. All health is a public health issue.
>
>
> >As far as optimum health care? That's a thing of the past.
>
> Now, now, don't be such a pessimist. We live in a rich country on a lush
> planet. We're a bright species. We can solve this. But we're going to have
> to solve it for ourselves. Government CAN'T solve it for us and business
> WONT.
>
> >Doctors are still paying off school loans, and don't care whether
> optimum care is administered, because there are enough people who have
> health insurance who are sick and need their services, that they can
> still get rich, and still afford to pay off their loans.
>
> There's a big part of the problem right there. We must totally revamp the
> way we train doctors. We need more doctors and more health care providers
> in general.
>
> Getting the government out of health care is only the first step. The FDA
> is the puppet of the AMA. The AMA is a puppet of the pharmaceutical
> companies. For some insight into where they're at read my post not so long
> ago about the post W.W.II history of IG Farben. Doctors get rich because
> there is an artificially created shortage of health care providers in
> general, and yeah, it IS the result of a conspiracy (i.e. not off topic
> for this list). For a REAL spine chiller read Lenny Lapon's history of the
> role of the post W.W.II Nazi diaspora on American psychiatry in general
> and on the power structure of the APA in particular. It's called <Mass
> Murderers in White Coats> and it'll open your eyes.
>
> Personally I think we should start teaching nutrition and health care to
> our kids right along with the three Rs. In my idea of an ideal future, by
> the time you graduate you should be the equivalent of what we call today a
> Certified Nutritionist and an EMT, not because everybody should work as a
> nutritionist or an EMT, but because sometimes circumstance appoints you
> First Responder, and if all you know how to do is dial 911, you are worse
> than useless; you're in the way.
>
> By the same token I believe that everybody should learn martial arts,
> non-violent conflict resolution, and fire arms proficiency from the very
> cradle because sometimes circumstance appoints you First Responder and if
> all you know how to do is dial 911, somebody is going to get hurt, maybe
> you.
>
> >The only way, anyone is going to get optimum health care is to be one of
> the other 230 million people in this country who can afford health care.
> Sorry, but that's the way it is.
>
> Accepting the immoral is morally unacceptable. Optimum health care is not
> exclusive. Optimum health care includes all who need it.
>
> >the churches of this country should have never given up their position to
> help the poor and the needy, then the government would not be legislating
> who gets care and who doesn't. Because we know that there are many, many
> churches and charitable organizations who could help those in need, but
> because of government policies and regulations already poised, they
> cannot help, by law.
>
> Good point. I would amend it to "the churches of the world," as America's
> churches are by no means the only who display their hypocrisy by teaching
> love and practicing selfishness. Christians in particular, though, pick
> and choose which parts of their scripture to practice. How telling it is
> that most choose to omit Acts 2:44. If they really wanted to the churches
> and the NGOs could put an end to suffering and poverty despite government
> interference. The churches must be morally revitalized and we need more
> NGOs. We need COMMUNITY.
>
> >So, the question then remains, what happens to those who are in
> poverty? Ask the Klintoonalgores of this country, then to get off their
> duffs and do something about it and quit talking about it. THEN you might
> see some reverse in the poor quality of health care and poverty in this
> country.
>
> I beg to differ. If a statist solution were possible it would have
> happened by now. Government is owned lock, stock and barrel by the REAL
> freeloaders, the rich. So are the corporations. The corporations are more
> our REAL government that those things in our various capitals. Workers,
> particularly poor workers, have no say at all, not here, not Russia, not
> China, not anywhere.
>
> >This is a very unfortunate situation that we can give care to millions of
> people in other countries, some who have gotten wealthy off our 'care',
> yet we cannot seem to manage the poverty level in our own space.
>
> One could argue that it's a sort of poetic justice, seeing as how America
> has grown rich by exploiting the labor and resources of the rest of the
> world. Hell, America itself is built on stolen property. But that is no
> reason that we here alive today must continue the evil, sinful, disgusting
> practices of our ancestors. We have free will. We have the skills. We have
> the resources. Let's be remembered by history as the generation that
> turned America around. We CAN do it. We MUST do it.
>
> >It's sad; very sad. I agree.
>
> Mourning is not enough. We must fix it. We could be remembered by future
> generations as among the greatest Peoples who ever lived. Or we could be
> remembered as a pack of callous, greedy, selfish bullies. It's up to us.
>
> >Socialized medicine is not the answer.
>
> Agreed. But neither is corporate medicine. Neither have demonstrated the
> willingness or capacity to do the most good for the most people. We must
> find a new way.
>
>
> >The government holds people back. Just like the recent legislation
> presented by the Democrat of Minnesota, to "track" former welfare
> recipients. It is none of the government's business after they 'force'
> them off the programs. They have to let go, and quit dragging them back
> into the system. It is a viscious circle. But, that is the way it is.
>
> There you go again with the fatalism. What a pessimist you are. Cheer up,
> friend. We can do it. Government can't. Government has made poverty worse.
> But then, we let it happen. It's our fault because we have palmed off onto
> the state our moral responsibility as Christians, as Jews, as Muslims, as
> Buddhists, Secular Humanists, as Socialists, as Libertarians, as
> Conservatives, as what-the-hell-ever we call ourselves, to help our fellow
> humans. Our failure diminishes our own humanity.
>
> The hand up poor folks need isn't coming from government and it sure as
> hell isn't coming from business. It must come from us, the community. In
> the old days a family that suddenly found themselves without a barn didn't
> go ask FEMA to buy them a new one. The started cooking a feast for the
> their neighbors because they KNEW their neighbors were on the way over to
> build them a new one and they were going to be hungry at the end of the
> job. Today, most people (in this country at least) don't even know their
> neighbor's name. This MUST change.
>
> >Until we get some intelligence in the White House and in the other areas
> of our government branches that were designed to help those in need, and
> quit funding those who can work, who can provide, and screen each
> individual treating them as human beings, and as just a name and a number
> in a statistic report, you shouldn't expect any miracles.
>
> How can it be that you have so little faith in government on paragraph and
> yet in the next paragraph profess that with a mere changing of a couple
> of front men or a couple of policies, government is the answer to our
> problems? Do you not suffer from cognitive dissonance? Such a basic
> internal contradiction would give me a migraine.
>
> >But who knows, the good Lord may smile upon America again, and give her
> one last chance to shape up before she's shipped out to sea.
>
> You can put your faith in higher powers, earthly and otherwise, if you
> want. I know better. We're on our own. But not to worry. We can handle it.
> All we have to do is put our childish ways behind us and strike out on our
> own. We have six billions brains between us. We can solve any problem our
> species confronts. But we have to do it ourselves. Waiting for some great,
> benevolent authority figure (like Mommy, or God or the President) to do
> it for us wont work.
>
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