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>
> And Gordon was helpful, particularly in the area of passing that
> information along. The problem with people like Gordon Novel is that they
> become marginalized and easily dismissed by the government because for all
> intents and purposes he is a little on the nut cake side, but you never
> want to ignore somebody like that. He�s done a lot of good work. He�s
> worked very hard and long on this. A lot of it gratis � he never got paid
> for it, on the Waco issue.
>
> GLASS: Do you know how he got involved in the Waco affair?
>
> McNULTY: He�s an investigator for Ramsey Clark. He has worked with a
series
> of attorneys that have been involved in the civil litigation against the
> government on behalf of the Branch Davidians.
>
> GLASS: Two weeks after he came to you with that information Colby was
found
> dead in the canoeing accident?
>
> McNULTY: A canoeing accident on the Potomac. He�s an extremely experienced
> canoeist. The water was flat and level � placid water. My understanding is
> that he was wearing a life vest. My understanding is also that in covert
> operations one of the fondest techniques used for murder are boating
> accidents because it�s extremely difficult to prove foul play.
>
> Now�was Mr. Colby murdered? I can�t say. But it sure seemed curious that
> within two weeks of us receiving the information from him he shows up
> suddenly dead in a "boating accident." And he�s a master canoeist or he
was
> a master canoeist.
>
> GLASS: If I recall that incident correctly, that was water that was on his
> property or near his property.
>
> McNULTY: He had some river front property on the Potomac. He was very
> familiar with it. It makes great fodder for the conspiracy theorists. But
I
> can�t say that Mr. Colby died as a direct result of this information he
> passed along to us.
>
> GLASS: Well, here we have the former director of the Central Intelligence
> Agency dying under very odd circumstances�
>
> McNULTY: After providing us with some very crucial information in a major
> case. And then the information was provided to us with the explicit
proviso
> that these gentlemen who were presenting this information were interested
> in obtaining the rights to the film.
>
> GLASS: They wanted you to sell them the rights to the film?
>
> McNULTY: They wanted the negative, the print, and the whole enchilada. And
> I asked them what they were interested in it for. And their response was
> that they were interested in it on the basis of, shall we say, using it as
> a club to beat another agency in line that had been expanding their
> operations on CIA�s turf, vis-a-vi the FBI. And its foreign expansion of
> operations into what had been traditionally CIA turf.
>
> GLASS: Are we talking about the CIA using that tape as leverage or
> blackmail or whatever to pressure or influence the FBI to take a step
back?
>
> McNULTY: They made clear to us their desire that the FBI back off their
> harassment of citizens in this country as well in terms of its activities
> such as Waco and Ruby Ridge. And yes that was our implicit observation of
> the communicators representing this request to us.
>
> GLASS: Was this request made as an official request from the Central
> Intelligence Agency?
>
> McNULTY: Was their documentation and official photographs of the
> individuals presenting themselves with ID cards etc., etc? No.
>
> GLASS: Did they identify themselves as employees of the CIA?
>
> McNULTY: They did not. But this was the same person that brought us the
> information initially.
>
> GLASS: I got you.
>
> McNULTY: So we had every reason to believe that he had authenticity
because
> of where the information came from initially. We considered their offer,
> which was rather substantial in terms of money.
>
> GLASS: Can you tell us how much?
>
> McNULTY: They said something about five times the minimal estimated retail
> intake.
>
> GLASS: Which is?
>
> McNULTY: Which would have been two million.
>
> GLASS: So five times two million.
>
> McNULTY: Yea.
>
> GLASS: So they offered you ten million dollars?
>
> McNULTY: Essentially yes.
> GLASS: Had you given them that film, was it your understanding that the
> film never would have been seen?
>
> McNULTY: They made it clear that if we took the offer that we would be no
> longer responsible for the film. They would take care of it and the public
> would never see it.
>
> GLASS: So basically you were offered a ten million-dollar bribe�
>
> McNULTY: No, no, no, no. We were offered a ten million-dollar buy-out.
>
> GLASS: OK. A ten million-dollar "buy out" essentially to spike the film
> that you had made?
>
> McNULTY: Yea. Say goodbye to the film. I considered that for about 15
> seconds. I think it took the executive producer and the director another
15
> seconds to consider it. We all came to the same conclusion. And we told
> this to whoever it was that was offering us all of this money for saying
> goodbye to our film.
>
> And that conclusion was this � well it seems to us that you fellas in the
> alphabet soup agencies have been playing this backroom cloak and dagger
> game for some 50 years now. And we�ve gotten to the point where honest
> citizens are dying because of it, at least innocent citizens that were
> never proven guilty of anything. And we thought that there was another
> group of people that could do a better job of handling this kind of
> intrigue than these agencies had. And that was the American people. So we
> declined their gracious offer and soon after that received death threats
> that were never acted on.
>
> GLASS: Obviously.
>
> McNULTY: Obviously because I�m here. But it�s just plausible enough to be
> real. Implausible enough to not be real. In other words they have
plausible
> deniability.
>
> GLASS: Right
>
> McNULTY: Everything that occurred was well documented. We know who they
> claim to have been.
>
> And certainly this information came about in strange and mysterious ways.
>
> GLASS: As it always does.
>
> McNULTY: As it always does. We can never say that Bill Colby handed me
this
> tape on August 5, 1995 etc., etc, but it didn�t just happen either.
>
> GLASS: I think what is significant is the fact that the people who made
you
> that offer, whoever they were, pointed out specific and crucial technical
> details of the film which had heretofore been unknown.
>
> McNULTY: Correct, but have now subsequently been confirmed by not only our
> experts but also by a number of others.
>
> GLASS: Including people hired by 60 Minutes?
>
> McNULTY: Indeed. And so one has to ask the question, the deep
philosophical
> question, "What the hell is going on here?"
>
> GLASS: Well, what the hell is going on?
>
> <<<<For information and discussion purposes only>>>>
>
> Jane
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