[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "As all voting is secret (by secret ballot), and as all
> secret governments are necessarily only secret bands of
> robbers, tyrants, and murderers, the general fact that our
> government is practically carried on by means of such
> voting, only proves that there is among us a secret band of
> robbers, tyrants, and murderers, whose purpose is to rob,
> enslave, and, so far as necessary to accomplish their
> purposes, murder, the rest of the people."
> -- Lysander Spooner, No Treason, No. VI
>
> nessie wrote:
> >
> > When the boards of directors of the corporations can be elected by the
> > public at large, then and only then will we be on our way to real
> > democracy.
>
> What do you mean by "real democracy"?
>
> > This thing we have now is a fraud and a sham.
>
> What's the difference between allowing the masses to vote
> for hucksters in CONgress, or allowing them to vote for
> the scoundrels on the board of directors of the Grunches?
You may be right, but if your saying there is no democratic solution,
who should rule?
Joshua2
> It would still be a fraud and a sham: a 'choice' between
> *their* candidates. The tens of millions who perished
> (under "state-monopoly capitalism") in the Soviet
> Union had the 'right' to vote too, you know.
>
> "Doubtless the most miserable of men, under the most
> oppressive government in the world, if allowed the ballot,
> would use it, if they could see any chance of thereby
> meliorating their condition. But it would not, therefore,
> be a legitimate inference that the government itself, that
> crushes them, was one which they had voluntarily set up,
> or even consented to." -- Lysander Spooner (ibid)
>
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