-Caveat Lector-
on the contrary, i have spent hours in that particular fairground of ideas
;)
the illuminatus trilogy helped me see the fnords in such places.
i judge 'the man' as i find him
----- Original Message -----
From: "Birds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 7:47 AM
Subject: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> David Icke is right on target and has losts of evidence. Kris knows about
him and his site well. The book you are referring to
> "The Illuminati Triology", is the book that tells lies to deter one from
thinking that there is any evil going on in the world.
> Yes, David Icke is the one to go to. I suggest you go there yourself
Craig and read some of them before judging the man.
>
> BirdsRus
> Private Mail Welcome
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ole Gerstr�m <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 6:29 AM
> Subject: [CTRL] Sv: Re: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of
Princess Diana
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Dear Craig,
>
> I have read Wilson, and I have read Icke. But I prefer the latter.
>
> Should David Icke damage my perceptions? He who is the most brilliant
researcher? I dont get your point.
>
> But I could think of many, who would pay millions to harm his reputation.
If you think, he is not presenting facts, why dont you
> give us your evidence?
>
> Love, Ole Gerstrom, Copenhagen, Denmark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: craig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess
Diana
>
>
> > -Caveat Lector-
> >
> > dear ole
> >
> > i strongly recommend you read "the illuminatus trilogy" by r.a. wilson
> > before icke does any more damage to your perceptions.
> >
> > love
> > craig
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ole Gerstr�m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess
Diana
> >
> >
> > > -Caveat Lector-
> > >
> > > Dear June,
> > >
> > > No, occultisme is not the same as satanisme. But the ruling circles of
> > this planet are occult and satanic as documented by David Icke in "The
> > Biggest Secret." I strongly recommend you read that book. It will answer
> > your many questions much better than I can do.
> > >
> > > But I will mention, that satanisme as mentioned here, includes black
mass
> > at midnight with human sacrifice.
> > >
> > > Love, Ole Gerstrom, Denmark
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Ynr Chyldz Wyld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 12:02 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [CTRL] Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of
Princess
> > Diana
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Caveat Lector-
> > > >
> > > > From: "Ole Gerstr�m" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Satanic Symbolism Surrounding the Death of Princess Diana
> > > >
> > > > And what, pray tell, is 'satanic' about any of the supposed symbols?
> > > >
> > > > >The city of Paris was founded in the sixth century AD by
> > > > >the Sicambrian Franks, an aryan race of middle-eastern
> > > > >extraction. They were keen followers of occult pracices,
> > > >
> > > > If true, what exactly in their practice do you construe as
'satanic'?
> > > >
> > > > Or are you implying you equate ANYTHING labeled 'occult' as the
> > equivalent of 'satanic'?
> > > >
> > > > If so, you may be surprised to know that the term 'occult' is used
every
> > day in hospitals and medical
> > > > facilities around the world.
> > > >
> > > > So are you going to tell us that every hospital, and that every
doctor
> > and nurse, is 'satanic'?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >and ritual and ceremonial magic was integral to their daily life.
> > > >
> > > > And so? That doesn't mean they were satanists.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The central religious deity the Franks worshipped was the
> > > > >Moon Goddess known to the Romans as Diana, (aka Artemis,
> > > > >Isis, and others).
> > > >
> > > > And what is 'satanic' regarding any of the above?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The Franks built an underground chamber for the worship of
> > > > >Diana outside the Isle-de-la-Cite. Sacrifices to the Moon
> > > > >Goddess were made here,
> > > >
> > > > If true, then they were Dianic, not Satanic...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Allegedly a "symbol of Liberty", and a memorial to French
> > > > >servicemen who died in the Second World War, the monument
> > > > >consists of a torch over a black five-pointed star. Those
> > > > >familiar with the occult may be aware that this is not a
> > > > >symbol much associated with liberty.
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps not in the strictest sense...but it is definitely NOT
> > 'satanic'...unless you are going to tell us the
> > > > fifty stars on the U.S. flag are also 'satanic'...
> > > >
> > > > The 5-pointed pentagram IS utilized by non-satanic pagans of various
> > flavors when working a 'magic
> > > > circle'...it is a symbol of power and of protection from negative
and
> > evil influences...
> > > >
> > > > Satanists -- who are nothing more than Roman Catholics turning their
> > religion inside out and upside down --
> > > > usurped the symbol, utilizing a reversed pentagram as a sign to
welcome
> > negative and evil forces...
> > > >
> > > > But just as the cross has been in use long before Christianity
usurped
> > it, just as the swastika was in long
> > > > use before the German National Socialists adopted a reversed
swastika as
> > their national symbol, so too with
> > > > the symbol of a 5-pointed star long antiquates the modern use by
modern
> > satanists...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The Moon Goddess is frequently said to be as female energy form
> > > >
> > > > And the female energy form equates to 'satanism'....how?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The latter, Hecate, the Queen of the Underworld, is very heavily
> > > > >associated with occult practices and ritual sacrifice.
> > > >
> > > > True. But it has naught to do with satanism. Hecate predates
satanism
> > by centuries.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >"Hecate's Day" is August 13th,
> > > >
> > > > Your source for this is....?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >but Satanic rituals, (black as opposed to white magic), to
> > > > >Hecate are better carried out on the 31st, reversal of numerals
> > > > >popular in Satanism.
> > > >
> > > > And again, your source for this is...?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >The underlying contention being that there exists a Satanic
> > > > >group located at the extreme apex of our society, practising
> > > > >ritual magic.
> > > >
> > > > We're still waiting for any proof that any of this, even if true,
has
> > aught to do with satanism.
> > > >
> > > > All the practices you mention, except human sacrafice, are common
> > practices of any number of pagan and wiccan
> > > > groups...so are you claiming that these groups are the same as
> > satanists?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > June
> > > >
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