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>> Charles Manson not a serial killer?  Not physically, but that man
>> mind-controlled all his victims and they did the killing for him.
>> Why do you think Manson never gets out of jail?  He is a very
>> dangerous man.  He may act stupid, but he is not.

As he points out, he's no more dangerous or evil than hundreds of others who have been 
released for similar or worse crimes many years before his current term.


>Does the fact that he "controlled their minds" mean that he's brilliant
>or that the people he controlled were just weak-minded?

A bit of both, I expect.

I remember a
>little organization called "Heaven's Gate".  Some wild stories came out
>of that place from people who used to be involved with them.  People who
>were only allowed to eat chocolate chip ice cream and others were only
>allowed to eat pizza, etc...  I'd say the people who let themselves get
>involved with Koresh were weak-minded.  Tell me I can only eat pizza and
>I'm going to IHOP for a Rootie Tootie Fresh & Fruity.
>
>> But he still went to jail.  Good heavens for that.  He has been
>> charged with something believe you me.  I do not know the correct
>> information of his direct charges, but he is in jail for life.
>> He did something I think.......He sat by while he knew Sharon
>> Tate was being stabbed in her stomach.

His story at trial always was that he didn't know about it until afterwards, while the 
real killers found it convenient to claim that he made them do it. Now I don't know if 
this is true or not, but he himself didn't physically kill any of those people.

It would be like if me and another listmember went out and blew up a Burger King in 
Dallas and when we were caught, claimed that Kris Millegan was exerting mind control 
over us with this list, sending us hundreds of messages each day telling us what to 
think. Of course it is baloney, but would a jury believe it?


>I haven't thought much about Manson before.  I'm actually intrigued so I
>will be doing my homework tonight. :-)
>

Some of the things he has said are really funny compared to what people say about him. 
I read his autoboigraphy, I think it is called Charles Manson Speaks or something (I'm 
sure other list members can give you a long list of sources) but some of the things he 
said included that:

Despite claims to the contrary, he was never a hippy and wasn't expecially invovled in 
psychodelic music etc. His favourite music when growing up was the Big Band music he 
heard as a child in the 40's

The prosecutor, Vincent Bugliosi, who wrote the best book on the case 'Helter Skelter' 
(which is a good place to start if you want to read more about it, not just 
hyperbole), was grandstanding and making grandiose claims to bolster his career.

(And this is true) Because of his infamy, he has spent more time in Prison than others 
who have committed far worse multiple murders and been paroled after 20 years or so.

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