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From: "Mulva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: 12 December 2000 19:07
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Jesus was a Liberal
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> Jesus whom IMHO is far above the class of any
below?
> political association and is/was/always has
> been/always will be in the business of
giving you a higher authority so that you might abstain from decision
making.
cleansing of us
> sins through His ultimate sacrifice
did he die? just when was he born?
so that we would
> have a path to His Father's Kingdom
a false promise to convince vulnerable people that they ought to be happy
with their lot because it is only a temporary situation which will be
terminated if they obey the laws.
also said,
> "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be
> Caesar's." Luke 20:22-25. Translation: Give the
> government what the law says but don't make them your
> God (a very unliberal approach I must say and
> certainly unlike the agenda of Al Gore's!)
above political association? you exploit your lord's words for political
reasons.. deary me.
>
> I also know of few politicians
> liberals/moderates/conservatives that would die for
> eachother.
name them.
Maybe some politicians who were war
> veterans although it can be argued that they didn't
> plan on dying in the war they were killed in--however,
> they still knew the risk if they joined or resisted
> the urge to dodge the draft.
so.... would the phrase "dodge the draft" have any political undertones? not
protesting against an immoral war perhaps? no? not even a little bit? they
were all just trying to save their lilly livered skins, uh?
>
> I believe
yes, your religion is based solely on faith, nothing substantive in the
slightest. you are being tricked! wake up!
the principal of the matter in Christ's
> recommendation to watch money is that money is not
> only the source of evil (check ALMOST any person with
> a fat wallet in today's bull market and ALMOST never
> will you find that person feeling that they need any
> higher power
look at any alienated person with no money at all. do you really believe
they believe they need your crutch, sorry, higher power?
sweep those generalisations why don't you.
other than that of maybe the Wall St.
> Journal or CNNfn).
or pragmatic belief in the oneness of the universe perhaps? maybe a belief
that an egg is a miracle in itself without any dressing up.... without
needing a god created in man's image to have made the egg?
It is possible to have a lot of
> money and stay fully dependent upon God,
are you spiritually crippled that you insist on being dependent on your god?
it is not a republican god then?
>put Christ
away behind thee
> was making a point that it was very difficult because
> with money comes self-pride and with self-pride comes
> the notion that one doesn't need to rely on anything.
you can only rely on yourself.
>
>
> Money also causes us to gain a lot of worldly
> possessions which is exactly what Satan wants.
your satan is merely a reflection of your god- two halves of the same
imaginary abstention.
*you* didn't do anything wrong in your life- satan did it , working thru
you- or making you do it.
> Everyone get hooked on materialstic agendas and forget
> about the fact that one day the world (along with
> everything on the earth--yes that includes all BMW's)
would everyone on the list who owns a beamie please click your right mouse
button.
just what audience are you writing this for mulva?
> will be destroyed
if that is what nature intends then let it be.
>and remade new-free from sin,
only if cognitive life forms are absent.
>and
> because it will be free from sin it will be free from
> selfish personal interest (money and the accumulation
> of material things).
explain the mechanism behind this- is everyone in the world gonna be
aquarians or something?
>
> Now before you flame me for this..these are my
> personal beliefs.
no- they are something you adhere to.
>If one does not believe this so be
> it--Christ leaves the choice to us
the choice being - reward for approved behaviour or punishment for
disapproved behaviour....
>(yet another
> unliberal approach).
why?
Let me also add--as if
> needed--tham I am far from mastering the art of
> seperating my own needs from wants and that I too
> struggle with the temptation of financial gain and
> materialistic issues.
you mean you put a big effort into securing yourself and buying things and
making yourself comfortable- then you go and mess it up by feeling bad about
it for no good reason at all.
However, I am also aware of the
> problems they can cause from first hand experience
> with my relationship with God.
i have first hand experience of my god too. at least twice a day.
>
> Interesting thread.
>
> Thanks
>
> Mulva
>
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