-Caveat Lector-
Is there a particular reason you removed the CONTEXT?
This is errant nonsense and statist sophistry.
Nessie
Who said anything about statism? I don't think the
government should run the schools, either. I just don't
want to to see them fall into the hands of the corporations.
That would be much, much worse.
MJ
You do comprehend Statism?
Nessie
Yup. What of it?
MJ
Your PREVIOUS comments when compared with the
above remarks would indicate otherwise.
MJ
Not that you provide support for *any* of your drivel (as I remain
on vigil for your pre-socialist schools literacy details) ...
Nessie
I posted a bunch of pointers yesterday. Scroll back.
MJ
Perhaps you can refresh our memories since the literacy rate
pre-socialist schools exceeds the post socialist schools.
MJ
How will an education through 'cooperation' be WORSE than an
education by force?
Nessie
I didn't. I said that if corporations seize control of public education,
it will be worse.
MJ
I am well aware of your statement. How will corporations be able to
FORCE students to attend or taxpayers to pay as our Government
does now? How is it possible for corporations to 'seize' control without
FORCE?
Nessie
Personally, I'd prefer to see schools managed by parent-teacher
cooperatives.
MJ
Remove Government from the equation ... and this could certainly
be one option.
Nessie
I'm in favor of that. I'm not in favor of anybody not paying their share
of the expenses.
MJ
What is one's 'fair share'?
MJ
Will your cooperatives require other people's money
which is to be provided without their consent?
Nessie
Are you saying that you do not consent to contributing your share of the
expense of public education? A simple yes or no will suffice.
MJ
I have no choice in the matter currently ... it is taken by force.
HERE is where the Statism from above comes into play.
It is the height of arrogance for you to lecture others as to their
"moral duty".
Nessie
It's my moral duty to attempt to enlighten you, because you are a
fellow human being and you are morally remiss. It is also pragmatic
to attempt to help you to mend yourself of your error because your
error threatens the future of all of us.
MJ
How is a philosophy with roots in rape, theft and enslavement ... moral?
Nessie
How is does my philosophy have "roots in rape, theft and enslavement"?
Be specific.
MJ
Above you suggest one contribute 'their fair share' to your education goals.
Any meaning OTHER than a parent paying for their responsibilities -- ie
their child or those children they have chosen such a role -- involves theft
of someone's funds ... the enslavement of individuals in order to provide.
MJ
WHO says it is YOUR 'duty' as you describe it? By what definition? Edict?
Nessie
God told me. Personally.
MJ
Really? God just told me that you are full of shit.
This is simply ANOTHER religious tenet that you would force on
others.
It is Fascistic to attempt to impose your concept of "moral duty"
on others by threat of force through government intimidation.
Nessie
That depends on the circumstance. In this particular instance
I'm not using force. I'm using logic, reason and morality. If I was
using force, you'd know it.
MJ
What logic?
Nessie
Since you ask that question at all, I must assume you lack the cognitive
skills to understand the answer. Over the last few days I have stated
and explained my logic in plain English and in math. Apparently you
need somebody to draw you a picture. I'm sorry I can't do that here.
This is a text medium.
MJ
Oh, FALLACIES of logic ... now it makes better sense.
Other then not harm my innocent fellow citizens, or steal their
property, my moral duty is not to impose my personal beliefs
on others.
Nessie
That's a selfish, self centered and short sighted philosophy.
MJ
What do you imagine the 'philosophy' you are shoveling is?
Nessie
Direct, participatory democracy, worker self management, sharing,
cooperation and sustainability. In short, I'm promoting anarchism, DIY
government.
MJ
Democracy is rule by mob and NOT compatible with anarchy -- which will
necessarily result in gang warfare interrupted by dictatorship of various
sorts. That which you are promoting is as selfish, self-centered and
short-sighted as you imagine was being described to you -- if not more so.
Nessie
If everyone felt like you, we'd be in a sorry state indeed.
MJ
How?
If everyone took care of THEMSELVES ... stole from no one
else ... cooperated ... how could this be possible?
Nessie
Because not everybody CAN take care of themselves.
MJ
That was not the gist of the ideal.
Who will determine which persons cannot care for themselves?
Why this person?
Nessie
If you ever find yourself bleeding to death in a ditch, as I once did ,
that you remember as the cars stream past, that by your way of
thinking, they have no moral duty to stop and help you.
MJ
Right.
What makes YOU more important than others?
Nessie
I never said I was. I do say that I'm smarter than you are and a heck of
a lot nicer person. But that's another story, and this isn't the proper
venue.
MJ
By claiming that others have some duty to assist you, you are.
As to the machinations of your imagination ...
Charles Oliver
Karl Marx tried to devise an economic system that got rid of
selfishness.
Nessie
He did no such thing. Marxism is nothing but state monopoly capitalism.
MJ
So much for your claims.
Capitalism is an economic system VOID of government intervention ... making
your claim silly.
BTW ... without Government corporations do not exist. :)
Regard$,
--MJ
Of liberty I would say that, in the whole plenitude of its
extent, it is unobstructed action according to our will. But
rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will
within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do
not add 'within the limits of the law,' because law is often but
the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an
individual. --Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819.
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