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> From: Amelia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:08:13 -0500
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Researchers Already Whining for MORE Stem Cell Lines
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> Now I can remember thinking this very same way as a teenager when
> Roe v Wade and all of that was new but fortunately I kept thinking
> on the matter and got beyond the simplistic solution and hollow
> platitudes and TV sound-bite mantras and learned to think for
> myself, at least a little bit. I suppose any embryos convicted of
> capital offenses are subject to death penalties the same as any
> others. Never said cells were 'people' for people is not the issue
> for me but rather human life which does not have to equal 'people.'
> I said it was human and it was alive and it is. I do not care one
> bit what anyone believes I hold sacred but I do care greatly about
> being forced to finance the beliefs of others.
I also think for myself
we just come to different conclusions
>
> And why are we not harvesting the organs and tissue for stem cells
> from those sentenced to capital punishment the way that China does?
> We might have such a surplus considering the high number of
> executions here that we, too, could sell them all over the world.
> Look at all those healthy, young specimens! And the way we coerce
> them into donating blood now, although a high rate of it is
> contaminated--we could expand on what they are forced to donate.
>
Are you sure you want to hold up china as an example how to behave?
are you saying a collection of 100 odd undifferentiated cells has more rights than someone in prison?
right to life applies to blobs of protoplasm that you need a microscope to see, but not to people who commit crimes?
do you see a contradiction , the very one I mentioned, that you are railing about now?
(just ion case you forgot - here it is again)
>>
>> I'd like to see some of these people complaining about life sacred
>> nature do
>> something about all the un-adopted minority babies out there, ban
>> the death
>> penalty, etc. Then I might believe that they find life scared.
> As for minority babies, wouldn't those be like the Palestinians
> and be the enemy? I am paying close attention to the way this works
> and learning a great deal from recent posts in this regard. I am
> rethinking this 'inclusive' business for I see that this only
> applies to some and not at all to others.
I think you confuse me with someone else - I never said anything about enemies, and I certainly would not define them by race if I had.
>
> It is highly politically incorrect to even think of whites
> adopting black children and they have been ripped from the adoptive
> white parents arms to prevent them from 'destroying their
> Blackness.' Better to give children to Rosie and Paula for I know
> of heterosexual couples who have been waiting for years, still. Go
> figure. That is yet another racket.
yes there are stupid racist blacks as well as stupid racist whites, as well as stupid homophobes. What's your point?
The truth of the matter is that white children are snapped up so quickly there is a black market for them, while black, Hispanic, and Asian kids sit unadopted. This is a fact, due to stupid people picking children by the color of their skin, as if it were upholstery for a couch.
>
> I have a friend who has made two trips to China adopting two little
> girls as that was far easier than adopting in this country. They
> have not yet been approved in this country and one of the girls is
> starting school! We much prefer to just kill unwanted children
> outright or keep them as wards of the State.
>
> The Frankenbabies should not be in laboratories in the first place,
> IMHO. I do not arrive at my beliefs from a lack of knowledge nor
> do I accept simplistic solutions to complex ethical issues. What
> is simple for some is complex for others.
so now infertile couples shouldn't be allowed to have fertility treatments. I guess "god" didn't want them to have children, eh? and who are we to argue with the great gas cloud?
>
> Now who was it that advocated the removal of the 'constraints of
> morality' or was it the 'bonds of morality'? The govt pays for
> almost ALL medical research anyway. Almost all R&D is tax funded
> but the drug companies reap the profits They just like us to THINK
> they paid for the research. It is but another way of fleecing the
> sheep, speaking of which, have NOT yet been successfully cloned for
> the problem of overgrowth effects most. The rest have not
> experienced normal life spans. It would be good to address tissue
> rejection before establishing new sources of tissue.
>
> Guess I have heard all the big promises too many times. It seem
> ludicrous to keep coming up with technology and treatments that are
> available to only a tiny percentage of the people of this country
> and not at all to most of the world where 60 percent have never
> used a telephone. The more expensive and the better treatment is
> not even available to the masses who are clamoring for more. We do
> want the Elite to be cared for well for they are the only ones who
> truly have access to already existing technology.
all technology becomes cheaper over time, and more accessible.
30 years ago a calculator cost $500
now they are free when u open a bank account
used to be only the elite few who could fly
now its an everyday experience for many
medical treatments that ony a millionaire could have in the 60's are routine in the hospitals
> ~Amelia~
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "thew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Researchers Alrady Whining for MORE Stem Cell
> Lines
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> on 8/16/01 2:33 PM, Amelia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
> eggs are not people
> sperm are not people
> cells are not people
>
> not every fertilized egg in a woman's body actually becomes a baby
>
> it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between zygote and birth
>
> do we have to through every woman's menses now to see if she is
> inadvertently murdering a fertilized egg? Maybe charge every
> miscarriage as
> manslaughter?
>
> 90% of the "embryos" used for this are in fertility labs and will
> never, I
> repeat, never be used.
>
> I'd like to see some of these people complaining about life sacred
> nature do
> something about all the un-adopted minority babies out there, ban
> the death
> penalty, etc. Then I might believe that they find life scared.
>
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