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You did not say racial minorities but minority
only. Could be from ethnic or political reasons that one is a
minority. But as I said, I am learning daily from some on this very list
how this applies.
I was using irony on the plight of those
sentenced to capital punishment, which BTW, I do not support. I see it was
lost on you as was most of what I said. When calculators first cam out, I
bought a nice one, Texas Instruments, for $75. Everybody is aware that SOME
technology becomes cheaper and that is a general rule but it does not apply to
health care for that only increases. The cost of some basic drugs has
lowered but not the majority of health care. Check it out for that is how
the majority of my family earns their living and each year, costs are higher,
not less. eve on older technology and very basic stuff. Compare and
contrast the cost of something so old as an EEG, the technology for which has
been around for decades. It is NOT cheaper. Health care is so labor
intensive that costs are not likely to decrease.
I made my point perfectly clear. How can
people adopt minority babies as you suggest pro-life people should be doing when
they cannot receive approval for adopting a child of ANY race? The very
example that I gave as of a white adopting not one but TWO Asians but she had to
go to China to do it. I have seen women in South America (white ones) who
have located Hispanic babies for adoption weeping because they could not get a
visa to bring them home. How many have you personally reared from such
adoption? I only listen to those who walk the walk and not just
talk.
No, dear, I am not saying one human life form has
more rights than another. Irony. NO ONE considers China an example
on human rights. But neither do I think one human life form has LESS
rights than another.
You have your opinion and are welcome to it.
I also have mine on which you commented. I was merely trying to
clarify. I do not think I have succeeded for faith is a gift and many do
not understand it. I have not arrived at my beliefs lightly nor without a
great deal of thought and at my age, am not likely to alter them. Nor do I
expect others to do so. But I do resent financing the beliefs of others
but some of that is inevitable to all of us. I still resent it.
~Amelia~
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Researchers Already Whining for MORE Stem Cell
Lines
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"It is not the function of our government to keep the
citizen from
falling into error; it is the function of the citizen
to keep the government
from falling into error." Justice
Robert H. Jackson--
NEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line:
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> From: Amelia
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> Reply-To: Conspiracy Theory Research List
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 00:08:13
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [CTRL] Researchers
Already Whining for MORE Stem Cell Lines
>
> -Caveat
Lector-
>
> Now I can remember thinking this very same way as a
teenager when
> Roe v Wade and all of that was new but fortunately I kept
thinking
> on the matter and got beyond the simplistic solution and
hollow
> platitudes and TV sound-bite mantras and learned to think
for
> myself, at least a little bit. I suppose any embryos convicted
of
> capital offenses are subject to death penalties the same as
any
> others. Never said cells were 'people' for people is not the
issue
> for me but rather human life which does not have to equal
'people.'
> I said it was human and it was alive and it is. I do not care
one
> bit what anyone believes I hold sacred but I do care greatly
about
> being forced to finance the beliefs of others.
I also think
for myself
we just come to different conclusions
>
>
And why are we not harvesting the organs and tissue for stem cells
> from
those sentenced to capital punishment the way that China does?
> We might
have such a surplus considering the high number of
> executions here that
we, too, could sell them all over the world.
> Look at all those healthy,
young specimens! And the way we coerce
> them into donating blood
now, although a high rate of it is
> contaminated--we could expand on what
they are forced to donate.
>
Are you sure you want to hold up
china as an example how to behave?
are you saying a collection of 100 odd
undifferentiated cells has more rights than someone in prison?
right to
life applies to blobs of protoplasm that you need a microscope to see, but not
to people who commit crimes?
do you see a contradiction , the very one I
mentioned, that you are railing about now?
(just ion case you forgot - here
it is again)
>>
>> I'd like to see some of these people complaining
about life sacred
>> nature do
>> something about all the
un-adopted minority babies out there, ban
>> the death
>>
penalty, etc. Then I might believe that they find life scared.
>
As for minority babies, wouldn't those be like the Palestinians
>
and be the enemy? I am paying close attention to the way this works
> and
learning a great deal from recent posts in this regard. I am
>
rethinking this 'inclusive' business for I see that this only
> applies to
some and not at all to others.
I think you confuse me with someone
else - I never said anything about enemies, and I certainly would not define
them by race if I had.
>
> It is highly politically
incorrect to even think of whites
> adopting black children and they have
been ripped from the adoptive
> white parents arms to prevent them from
'destroying their
> Blackness.' Better to give children to Rosie and
Paula for I know
> of heterosexual couples who have been waiting for
years, still. Go
> figure. That is yet another
racket.
yes there are stupid racist blacks as well as stupid racist
whites, as well as stupid homophobes. What's your point?
The truth of the
matter is that white children are snapped up so quickly there is a black market
for them, while black, Hispanic, and Asian kids sit unadopted. This is a fact,
due to stupid people picking children by the color of their skin, as if it were
upholstery for a couch.
>
> I have a friend who
has made two trips to China adopting two little
> girls as that was far
easier than adopting in this country. They
> have not yet been approved in
this country and one of the girls is
> starting school! We much prefer to
just kill unwanted children
> outright or keep them as wards of the
State.
>
> The Frankenbabies should not be in laboratories in the
first place,
> IMHO. I do not arrive at my beliefs from a lack of
knowledge nor
> do I accept simplistic solutions to complex ethical
issues. What
> is simple for some is complex for others.
so
now infertile couples shouldn't be allowed to have fertility treatments. I guess
"god" didn't want them to have children, eh? and who are we to argue with the
great gas cloud?
>
> Now who was it that advocated the
removal of the 'constraints of
> morality' or was it the 'bonds of
morality'? The govt pays for
> almost ALL medical research anyway.
Almost all R&D is tax funded
> but the drug companies reap the
profits They just like us to THINK
> they paid for the research. It is but
another way of fleecing the
> sheep, speaking of which, have NOT yet been
successfully cloned for
> the problem of overgrowth effects most.
The rest have not
> experienced normal life spans. It would be good
to address tissue
> rejection before establishing new sources of
tissue.
>
> Guess I have heard all the big promises too many times.
It seem
> ludicrous to keep coming up with technology and treatments that
are
> available to only a tiny percentage of the people of this
country
> and not at all to most of the world where 60 percent have
never
> used a telephone. The more expensive and the better
treatment is
> not even available to the masses who are clamoring for
more. We do
> want the Elite to be cared for well for they are the
only ones who
> truly have access to already existing
technology.
all technology becomes cheaper over time, and more
accessible.
30 years ago a calculator cost $500
now they are free when u
open a bank account
used to be only the elite few who could fly
now
its an everyday experience for many
medical treatments that ony a
millionaire could have in the 60's are routine in the
hospitals
> ~Amelia~
>
>
> -----
Original Message -----
> From: "thew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:31
PM
> Subject: Re: [CTRL] Researchers Alrady Whining for MORE Stem
Cell
> Lines
>
>
> -Caveat Lector-
>
> on
8/16/01 2:33 PM, Amelia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>
>
> eggs are not people
> sperm are not people
> cells are not
people
>
> not every fertilized egg in a woman's body actually
becomes a baby
>
> it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between zygote
and birth
>
> do we have to through every woman's menses now to see
if she is
> inadvertently murdering a fertilized egg? Maybe charge
every
> miscarriage as
> manslaughter?
>
> 90% of the
"embryos" used for this are in fertility labs and will
> never, I
>
repeat, never be used.
>
> I'd like to see some of these people
complaining about life sacred
> nature do
> something about all the
un-adopted minority babies out there, ban
> the death
> penalty,
etc. Then I might believe that they find life scared.
>
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