-Caveat Lector- Now I can remember thinking this very same way as a teenager when Roe v Wade and all of that was new but fortunately I kept thinking on the matter and got beyond the simplistic solution and hollow platitudes and TV sound-bite mantras and learned to think for myself, at least a little bit. I suppose any embryos convicted of capital offenses are subject to death penalties the same as any others. Never said cells were 'people' for people is not the issue for me but rather human life which does not have to equal 'people.' I said it was human and it was alive and it is. I do not care one bit what anyone believes I hold sacred but I do care greatly about being forced to finance the beliefs of others. And why are we not harvesting the organs and tissue for stem cells from those sentenced to capital punishment the way that China does? We might have such a surplus considering the high number of executions here that we, too, could sell them all over the world. Look at all those healthy, young specimens! And the way we coerce them into donating blood now, although a high rate of it is contaminated--we could expand on what they are forced to donate. As for minority babies, wouldn't those be like the Palestinians and be the enemy? I am paying close attention to the way this works and learning a great deal from recent posts in this regard. I am rethinking this 'inclusive' business for I see that this only applies to some and not at all to others. It is highly politically incorrect to even think of whites adopting black children and they have been ripped from the adoptive white parents arms to prevent them from 'destroying their Blackness.' Better to give children to Rosie and Paula for I know of heterosexual couples who have been waiting for years, still. Go figure. That is yet another racket. I have a friend who has made two trips to China adopting two little girls as that was far easier than adopting in this country. They have not yet been approved in this country and one of the girls is starting school! We much prefer to just kill unwanted children outright or keep them as wards of the State. The Frankenbabies should not be in laboratories in the first place, IMHO. I do not arrive at my beliefs from a lack of knowledge nor do I accept simplistic solutions to complex ethical issues. What is simple for some is complex for others. Now who was it that advocated the removal of the 'constraints of morality' or was it the 'bonds of morality'? The govt pays for almost ALL medical research anyway. Almost all R&D is tax funded but the drug companies reap the profits They just like us to THINK they paid for the research. It is but another way of fleecing the sheep, speaking of which, have NOT yet been successfully cloned for the problem of overgrowth effects most. The rest have not experienced normal life spans. It would be good to address tissue rejection before establishing new sources of tissue. Guess I have heard all the big promises too many times. It seem ludicrous to keep coming up with technology and treatments that are available to only a tiny percentage of the people of this country and not at all to most of the world where 60 percent have never used a telephone. The more expensive and the better treatment is not even available to the masses who are clamoring for more. We do want the Elite to be cared for well for they are the only ones who truly have access to already existing technology. ~Amelia~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "thew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Researchers Alrady Whining for MORE Stem Cell Lines -Caveat Lector- on 8/16/01 2:33 PM, Amelia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eggs are not people sperm are not people cells are not people not every fertilized egg in a woman's body actually becomes a baby it is not a 1 to 1 correlation between zygote and birth do we have to through every woman's menses now to see if she is inadvertently murdering a fertilized egg? Maybe charge every miscarriage as manslaughter? 90% of the "embryos" used for this are in fertility labs and will never, I repeat, never be used. 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