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Rep. DeLay's reaction to Turner's statements about Israelis being terrorists Transcript from Hardball, MSNBC, 6/18/02 HOST CHRIS MATTHEWS: Today's suicide attack comes the morning after Ted Turner made some controversial remarks about the Middle East to the London Guardian. Turner said, quote, "The Palestinians are fighting with human suicide bombers. That's all they have. The Israelis, they've got one of the most powerful military machines in the world. The Palestinians have nothing. So who are the terrorists? I would make a case that both sides are involved in terrorism." That's Ted Turner speaking. Congressman Tom DeLay: We should help them root out the terrorist networks and should make sure that those moderate Palestinians can be safe from Arafat. Tho--those po--moderate Palestinians should rise in leadership so that we will have somebody to negotiate with. Right now, you cannot negotiate with a terrorist. MATTHEWS: What would be the point of them negotiating? What would be the point of them laying down their arms and opposing terrorism? Why would the Palestinians do that? What would be in it for them? Rep. DeLAY: Well, it'd be--for them, it would be a--a--a prosperous life in Israel. Right now... MATTHEWS: In Israel. You mean, they would all be condemned to living as part of the Israeli government? They would be under the Israeli government forever. That would be the goal. Rep. DeLAY: I think it's pretty--pretty awesome that you think that they would be condemned to live in the most pos--prosperous nation in the--in the area. I mean, you--you look at Israel, a democracy. And it's--the--the prosperity tfat and the Palestinian Authority is not giving them. MATTHEWS: Well, the Israelis want a homeland, and they have one, the State of Israel since 1948, and that's a matter of dispute with some of the Arab extremists. Do you think the Palestinians should have a state? Rep. DeLAY: I don't think we should be talking about a Palestinian state right now. MATTHEWS: But right now, you've just... Rep. DeLAY: ...while violence is going on. MATTHEWS: You've just said that there shouldn't be any Palestinian state because you said Israel should continue to rule the entire West Bank and Gaza, and the Arabs should become part of Israel and be citizens of Israel. So what's the dispute? What's to negotiate? Rep. DeLAY: There--there is no negotiation right now. We shouldn't be negotiating with terrorists at all. MATTHEWS: No, it's not on question of terr--terrorists. Should there be a Palestinian homeland where the Palestinians rule themselves ever? Ever? Rep. DeLay: No negotiation at all. The situation is you have a--a free democracy called Israel. MATTHEWS: Right. Rep. DeLAY: And you have Palestinians and the Palestinian Authority trying to destroy Israel. They don't want to talk about a Palestinian state. They want to destroy Israel. That is the issue today. It has nothing to do with giving--creating a new state or--or creating... MATTHEWS: But how... Rep. DeLAY: ...new borders or anything like that. What is important right now... MATTHEWS: How can there ever be a Palestinian homeland... Rep. DeLAY: What is important right now is to stop the violence and stop the killing of innocent citizens in Israel. When you stop the violence and we can go in and get the terrorist networks and we can root these terrorists out of there, then you can sit down with people of reason, Palestinians that wa--that believe that Israel ought to exist and you can negotiate. No one should be negotiating right now... MATTHEWS: But... Rep. I'm asking them to stop the violence. I'm--I'm as--I am asking the United States to stand with Israel to go after terrorist networks. Once you... MATTHEWS: Would you accept it... Rep. DeLAY: Once you stop... MATTHEWS: If you were a Palestinian, Congressman... Rep. DeLAY: Once you stop the violence... MATTHEWS: If you were a Pa... Rep. DeLAY: Once you... MATTHEWS: If you were a Palestinian, Congressman, would you accept virtual captivity by another country? Would you live in somebody else's country and let them rule you? Rep. DeLAY: If I... MATTHEWS: Or would you fight? Rep. DeLAY: If I was a Palestinian, I would not kill innocent citizens... MATTHEWS: Would you fight? Rep. DeLAY: ...by driving up next to a bu--a bus like what was done today... MATTHEWS: Would you fight the Israeli occupation? Rep. DeLAY: ...and kill children going to school. MATTHEWS: Would you fight the Israeli occupation? <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! 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