-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: "InfoWarz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > At 01:57 AM 7/10/02 , you wrote: > >on 7/10/02 12:57 AM, InfoWarz at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > At 11:50 PM 7/9/02 , you wrote: > > >> -Caveat Lector- > > >> Yes. Them too. Any sort of fundamentalist. Good science is not a > > >> fundamentalist movement. It s a methodology. > > > > > > Good science is not fundamental? > > > A physicist, mathematician, biologist, that doesn't know the fundamentals of > > > their discipline and of the scientific method would be useless. > > > Physical Scientists are rigid fundamentalists. > > > Would you want a mechanic working on your car that wasn't well versed in the > > > fundamentals of his trade? > > > Any one who is not a fundamentalist in their science, religion, trade, or > > > whatever is wasting their time. > > > Non-fundamentalism equates to half-assed. > > > Fundamentalism is a good thing. > > > >Being well versed in the fundamentals is NOT the same as hold a rigid belief > >system where all the answers are already known and there is nothing new to > >learn, and seek out something new is considered heresy. > > Being well versed in the fundamentals is the VERY definition of fundamentalism.
Not to split hairs, but, just because one knows the tenets of a fundamentalist belief does not make one a fundamentalist. > >Furthermore - a mechanic is not the same job as a scientist, and thus have a > >very criteria and standards of action. > >Mechanics operate on things scientists have already created / proven. > >A scientists job is to seek deeper understands and new ways to view things. > >Not the same job. Not the same criteria for success. > > Still doesn't change the meaning of fundamentalism. > > >Scientists are not technicians. > > > >Its that same confusion between knowledge and belief again. There is no > >fundamentalism when it comes to knowledge. Facts are. No need to be > >fundamental or progressive or liberal with knowledge. > > Balony. It is fundamental knowledge that a helium ballon rises in an earth type atmosphere. Facts are fundamental.<< "Facts are stupid things." - Ronald Reagan Conversely: "If you think you know what the hell is going on, you're probably full of shit." - Robert Anton Wilson Also: "Everything is relative." (do I need to cite?) > >You can only be a fundamentalist in the realm of belief. > > Balony. I gave previous examples. If a mechanic doesn't know the fundamentals of his trade, he's a lousy mechanic. It doesn't matter what he believes.<< Now you're mixing metaphors. There is a fundamental difference, pardon the pun. > > >> That said - I would hazard a guess the these A.D.S.Fs are responsible for a > > >> lot less bloodshed, repression, and general world malaise, than a few of the > > >> theist ones I could name. > > > > > > Yeah, like those great theists Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, Mugabe, Mandela, and > > > Hitler. > > > >Hitler had a belief in a deity. Mandela has a belief in a deity ( there are > >many quotes from him on the importance of religion , personally and in a > >culture) . I'm pretty sure Mugabe too, but I have to check to make sure. (I > >know he was a radical Marxist for a while, but I seem to recall something > >about him calling himself a committed Christian later on, but again - I have > >to look into it) > > Everyone has a belief in a diety. Either the true God. False Gods. Or themselves(atheists). > > A Christian beleives in the fundamental principles in the bible. If he doesn't, he's not a Christian is he? Their is no such thing as a non-fundamental Christian. You either are one or you're not.<< Tell that to the Catholics. Or the Protestants. Or the Lutherans. Or the ... well, you get my idea. Or are only the born-agains correct? What about the books of the apostles which were not included in later versions of the Bible? Where are the writings of Jesus? Wouldn't that be fundamental? All Christians have are interpretations and dilutions. > Just like a mechanic that doesn't know the fundamentals isn't really a mechanic, except maybe he likes to be called one. Why don't you take your car to him and when he's finished trashing your car, you can write me about the definition of fundamentalism.<< You are speaking of absolutes in mechanics, while adherence to a philosophy/religion is rarely fully realized, if ever. - jt <A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/";>www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance�not soap-boxing�please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'�with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds�is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html <A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html";>Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]</A> http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ <A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/";>ctrl</A> ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
