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on 9/22/02 10:51 PM, flw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> If it is wrong for Saudis to donate to families of human bombs, then
> it is certainly wrong for Americans to provide Israel with jets and
> bombs to be used to bomb civilians in Palestine.
Bombing civilians is wrong. No matter who does it.
A serious question - how do you deal with households that are not exactly
civilian in this situation? A hypothetical extremist who plants a car bomb,
or has a bomb factory to send kids out to blow up civilians - who is not in
any "officially recognized" army, and lives with his family in the same
building he makes his bombs, or whatever? He is a civilian - officially.
Before you say that it is a police issue, it seems that the PA has been
reluctant , to say the least, to arrest these kinds of people - because
Arafat does not want to be a target (that is the nicest possible reasons -
there are other ore sinister possibilities, but lets assume the best about
ol' statesman yassir)
>
> What Jews are you talking about that need this homeland? Judism is
> a religion. I know that there are Jewish Americans, French Jews, Mexican
> Jews, etc. etc. In any event, the only Jews that "need" a homeland
> are the Jews that presently live in Israel. Whether or not Israel should
> have been created in 1948 is a moot issue. It exists. Israelis (both
> Jewish and Moslems) have a right to live in peace within the pre 1967
> borders. Palestinians have the right to live in unmolested in the occupied
> terroritories - without being occupied.
This is a common misconception. One I have talked about here before. The
word "Jewish" has 2 meanings - the 1st designates a religion the way "Hindu"
or "catholic" does. The second in a tribal / ethnic label, like "Italian"
"French" and "Mexican."
The '67 war was not started by the Israelis. One should never gamble more
than they can stand to lose. The regional Arab states bet they could destroy
Israel. They lost.
The stupid Israelis, instead of kicking the Muslims out of the territories
they captured, in the manner Jews were kicked out of so many Islamic
countries, they said stay, lets try to build a state together. The same
Muslims who didn't allow Jews to enter the old city of Jerusalem, were told
they could share in Jerusalem. Those same Muslims are now blowing up school
buses.
Do you think if the Israeli's had lost that war, there would have been a Jew
left alive there? Do you think they would have been invited to stay?
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power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working on the
prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and
the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety
of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war.
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