On Thu, Jun 08, 2006 at 12:16:42PM +0200, Richard Levitte - VMS Whacker wrote:
> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:05:38 -0700, Gary Kline
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> kline> This is not intended as a criticism of CTWM--and I should be
> kline> hacking rather than asking. Still, any hopes of letting me use
> kline> the myriad goodies of CTWM _plus_ Gnome- and KDE-ware?
>
> What is the problem, exactly? Not meant as a retort, I do want to
> know. I'm not a Gnome or KDE user myself (I'm too much of a CTWM
> purist :)), so I can't really comment, but I'm getting conflicting
> reports on how it works with those desktop systems.
>
> CTWM would really need someone with good knowledge of each of them to
> take a good look and tell us what he finds.
>
> kline> Is there any window-manager group who mmight asssist in making
> kline> things more complient? On another line, any movement toward
> kline> 3.8 or 4.0??
>
> No real plans right now, and there are some issues to work out, like
> finally working out the proper sequence of initializing windows and
> reading the configuration file, where we currently have different
> conflicts depending on the available screens and such.
>
> Of course, I could easily start with a "release often" scheme to get
> things going. The trouble I have with that scheme is that I often get
> a sense of "let's just push out the software and not care about some
> level of quality", and that's not really my thing.
>
> I'd like to hear more opinions, and have more people actively work.
> Would you be one of those?
>
> kline> thanks up front,
>
> Thanks for speaking your mind!
>
This is to both you and Michael--and anyone else wondering why I
was asking. There aren't many problems with Gnome or KDE tools,
but enough. A few apps don't work or else print endless lines to
stdout/stderr. I run FreeBSD and both linux- and native ports of
mozilla and firefox. On my two Ubuntu servers with Gnome no such
problems. No offense to the Gnome/KDE users, but to do what I
can do with CTWM on Gnome would entail my spending months getting
down to the code level. Having xterms exactly where I want them,
say, in various sizes and typefaces. And having app X "Occupy"
workspace Y, and so forth.
I'm che--er, thrifty enough that most of my hardware is older and
CTWM is efficient whereas Gnome/KDE are gloppy. It doesn't look
as if there's much to be dropped into this wm to make it work
better with Gnme. If it would help, the next time I find stderrs
on an xterm I could save and edit them. Would that help? I've
volnteered lots of time/effort over the years to the "BSD
movement", but I've begged tons of questions as well, so someone
else might better ask "Help" on the lists.
This brings up the question of whether any kind and generous
person might be able to at least answer some questions about
making CTWM more compatible. If there is someone or some
international window-manager list, I'm ready to draft a polite
letter to see who might offer some clues to make CTWM work
seamlessly with Gnome---or, for that matter, *any* application.
Your thinking about quality rather than "release-often-quantity
is right, IMHO. Still, there could be just a bit more activity
here:-)
cheer,
gary
> Cheers,
> Richard
>
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> Richard Levitte [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://richard.levitte.org/
>
> "When I became a man I put away childish things, including
> the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
> -- C.S. Lewis
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