On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 10:31:05AM +1000, Anthony Thyssen wrote:
> Gary Kline on wrote...
> | > Other details...
> | > * To stop nautilus from creating a desktop window (so CTWM menus still
> | > work) use this, once only...
> | >
> | > gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/nautilus/preferences/show_desktop false
> | >
> | > * Remove the Gnome 'workspace' applet as it is not usable
> | >
> | > * In Ctwmrc file...
> | > NoTitle { "Gnome-panel" "desktop_window" }
> | > NoBorder { "Gnome-panel" "desktop_window" }
> | > IconMenuDontShow { "Gnome-panel" "desktop_window" }
> | > Also set BorderTop/Left/Right/Bottom as appropriate
> | >
> | > The only problem I have let is knowing when gnome-session is finished
> | > setting up its stuff so I can reset the display background how I want it
> | > and not how gnome wants it.
> | >
> | > I like to thank the hordes of people (NOT) who helped me figure this out.
> | >
> | > PS: Debugging gnome without being a gnome developer is a Bloody Pain,
> | > pardon my Australian!!!
(This is way OT, but gotta ask, since I'm studying remote
at the U/Wales, Lampeter, *why* "bloody" is considered so
profane. According to a journalist from IOwa who worked in
England for 20 years, it is worse than saying "sh*t"---
pardon myFrench!)
> |
> | Now this is truly EXCITING news. Would it be possible for you
> | to create a sh script to do what you've described? --Also,
> | what/where is the Gnome workspace utility (applet)? Code? a
> | script? how to remove? Maybe fork your work into a ctwm-gnome2
> | port?
> |
> It is basically how to run Gnome so it iteracts reasonably well with
> CTwm. No CTwm code changes are involved. Though some specific setup
> is needed to make it work.
Ick; I'm spent now8, 8+ days fixing Gnome ... while learning how
its parts interact. The fewer setup thing that need to b fixed,
the bettr. Can you set things according to *your* default??
>
> Features/Problems...
>
> * You can have a desktop background, or CTWM root menus, not both.
>
> I turn off the desktop using the gconftool command given.
> As such the root window is used for application icons, and NOT for
> application launchers. The traditional way, not the microsoft way.
Super! [ may blesssing be upon you, &c. ]
>
> * You can not use the gnome icon manager, or gnome workspace manager
> Let CTwm do these things. Just remove those applets from the
> panels.
I much prefer the ctwm workspace rectangle to gnome's/KDE'S.
What strings/menus/boxes do I use to remove "stuff"?
>
> * This does NOT stop you using nautilus for file sorting of movies,
> photos, openoffice docs. I prefer to use command line for just
> about everything else, except basic sorting/moving of these types of
> files.
Same. I was going to ask why anybody would need a GUI tool to
cd from /usr/local/share/doc to /etc/X11 (say). Decided to save
my breath ... um, fingers.
>
> It also pops up USB/CD/DVD drive content windows. If you want to
> see what is available use a nautilus 'Computer' directory.
>
> * Tell CTwm to add space for any pannels you are using.
> At least CTwm provides BorderLeft type options for this (see
> below).
>
> * You can not use gnome exit, unless your login session is hanging on
> the gnome exit. If you don't use gnome exit, you must kill the
> gconfd-2 process yourself, preferably when logging out. Sooner is
> better.
Could this be done by script? say in /etc/rc.local you make sure
that ctwm is running completely, then exec a kill -9?
>
> I have my own session management script that will let me shutdown,
> reboot, logout, or even just kill all clients and restart session
> without logging out! It took me years of slowly evolving scripts
> to allow me to do this :-)
Pleas see above!
>
> * You must kill gconfd-2 when finished, it will not die just
> because you have terminated your X window session, or display. If
> one is still running when you start a new "gnome-session", most
> 'applets' will fail to lauch and gnome will be slow to finish its
> startup. I thought the culprit was gnome-wm, but it wasn't.
>
> Last problem to solve...
>
> * Determine when gnome has finished starting up, and is finished
> playing with your display settings. That way you can immediately
> restore the settings (backgrounds, keyboard xmodmaps, volume
> controls, etc, etc) that you want, rather that what it wants.
>
Another thing: do KDE apps work with your tweaks? There are
several apps like "Sound_Juicer" and even konsole. And the KDE
text-to-speech tools. As well as the newest whiz-bang
Gnome2-2.20 gadgets. Before, if I tried to exec some of these
tools, I got a ton of error messages n my xterm. Then something
or other usually broke. Nutshell: that's why I've been trying
to learn all this GUI snonsense...
[[ your ctwm setup is saved away ]]
> | I've begun using both Gnome and KDE on my newer PC's, but
> | seriously like Ctwm because of its flexibility and simplicity.
> | Fr example, I can have 8 or ten workspaces with titles and
> | mouseclick to any of them to select out my chores: "System
> | Maint", "Mail", "Browsers", "Writing", "Programming", plus a
> | couple to monitor my network of five computers. And each time I
> | reboot, all my xterms (and apps) are in their proper
> | workspaces. Doing this with Gnome is still a mystery... .
> |
> Yes I know exactly what you mean. I hate gnome for this reason,
> but I like its menu laucher, application launchers, and applets.
>
Can you explain what a launcher does? I'm missing something
here.
> I specifically like the weather, power and network applets. That later
> has become essential for laptops, especially for roaming wireless
> network connections.
I'll check it out. I'm planning on going from my cat5 rats' net
to wireless ... eventually!!
>
> Note xwit is your friend for starting, positioning, iconizing and
> setting a CTwm workspace for Gnome complient applications...
>
> For example her I use "xwin_find" to wait for a firefox window
> to appear, then I move and iconize it, and change its workspace
> to my "Delta" Workspace
I just googled xwin_find. 7 hits:-). Looks useful. ---This is
an off-the-wall comment, but FWIW, Gnome has no command to make
its terminal (xterm rewrite taller [top <-> bottom] or wider
[side <-> side]. My FN keys to this. With Konsole or Term, you
can only make the xterm full-size.
>
> | One think that I dislike about Gnome/KDE is that they've silenced
> | them BEL ('\007') that sounds in vi/nvi/vim...
> |
> I can't help you there. But if you know how to turn on, you can switch
> it back on in the 'post gnome start' section.
I know zip about the sound/audio (or video) in the PeeCee world.
Only that with gnome or kde no bell.
>
> Acutally I found it annoying that I could not silent the bell using the
> volumn control. Do you know how control the 'beep' bell?
>
Um, yeah, if you are using Konsole, you can turn the BEL off on
the application. With Gnome, there is a Sound Prefences
menu/widget/dialogue/<whatever>. You can have the screen flash
at you. Doesn't work that well.... I would ****__loVE__****
to have key-clicks --like Sun--. That drove my co-workers up
the wall before we had individual offices. But for me, the
"click" tells me if I have/ haven't actually hit a key. --I
began writing a cclick driver and was 75% finished whe my disk
crashd [Nov, '99]. Never got back to it.... it's on my
queue... but way low on the prio list.
>
>
> MAIL ME, if you have anything to add, or further suggestions on the
> above. Not that anyone has helped me in the past. Suprise me.
>
I've thought of things prev'ly... can't remember then now, but
willl write offlist in anything comes to mind. Sorry for the
delay, but problems ganged up on me fr the past week or so.
*Hopefully* mycomputer is stabilizing. If it reboots
spontaneousl just once more, I'm throwing it out. :-|
later on,
gary
>
> Anthony Thyssen ( System Programmer ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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