Oop -- something left out of that message! There were supposed to be some carriage returns, before and after my name, and the OSG paragraph was to be in the message, and end with "... now that Zucker has retired, perhaps the OSG line will be sanctioned for CB boxes."John Gibbins
--- On Sun, 11/16/08, John Gibbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: John Gibbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [CBML] Re: Avalanche Games To: [email protected] Cc: "Mike Bennighof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Roger MacGowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:38 PM I'm with you, Jeff, and I wrote Avalanche Press some time ago to tell them of my views, which exactly match yours. Avalanche doesn't make such good tactical land games that I feel I miss much there -- PzG isn't any better than (as good as?) CC:E or ASL, and those game have outstanding VASSAL support and CB access as well. However, Avalanche does make a number of operation and strategic land games, and a huge number of naval games of all scales that are well regarded -- sigh. Of course, I think Bennighof misses the point completely about sales: GMT is EXTREMELY liberal about CB boxes, and publishes most of the rules online soon after publication, and they are doing VERY well (better than Avalanche, without doubt), a good deal because their customers are as passionate about GMT as the company is about its customers (they're even offering free games this month to those of their customers recently unemployed!! ) -- so where do my $400 to $800 of game purchases go every year? Hmmm ... John GibbinsIn a related note; sadly, OSG is another company that hasn't allowed CB boxes after an abortive attempt, so I haven't been buying their stuff, which isn't really duplicated anywhere else -- perhaps now that Zucker --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Jeff Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> wrote: From: Jeff Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] net> Subject: Re: [CBML] Re: Avalanche Games To: CyberBoardML@ yahoogroups. com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 12:48 PM I have never and will never purchase an AP game until they allow VASSAL and/or Cyberboard modules for their games. This is true even if I only plan to play the game face to face. I may be missing out on some good games, but there are still more out there than I can play anyway. I am most likely a small minority. But there are those of us out there that make this choice. I have never played a game via VASSAL or Cyberboard which I did not personally own. Anyway, that's what I think. Marchant wrote: > All, I can respond to this. I had the same problems several months > ago when a friend and I thought about getting an Avalanche Press game > going. I wrote to the people at AP and this is what they said (the > reference to Radiohead was in response to a comment I made in my > email to them): > > Thank you for your response. We do not currently allow distribution of > electronic versions of our games, though we certainly have no > objection to individuals making their own sets. > > Radiohead's experiment certainly drew attention, but the results are > difficult to call a success or a failure. The CD in question sold > 122,000 copies in its first week, compared to over 300,000 for their > previous release, according to Neilsen SoundScan. A drop of nearly > 2/3 in sales would be devastating to us; as company president I have > to chart a careful course to protect our livelihoods. > > We did experiment ourselves in 2007, allowing distribution of an > electronic set for Panzer Grenadier: Airborne, but we did not see any > measurable increase in sales. > > Thank you again for your support, and I hope you continue to enjoy our > games. > > Mike Bennighof > President, Avalanche Press > > So, making a gamebox is ok as long as it's for 'individual use'. Hope > this helps. By the way, what AP game(s) were you looking at playing? > > > --- In CyberBoardML@ yahoogroups. com, "ross_menzies" <rossmenzies@ ...> > wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> I know that Avalanche don't support electronic copies of their > games >> but what if a gamebox contains no copied materials, can they > prevent >> open distribution? >> >> Ross >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > To change your delivery settings, go to http://games. groups.yahoo. > com/group/ CyberBoardML. Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
