not if I tell mny hacker buddies to denial of service your network while we
play..
major lagg...we win ..... HHAHAHHAHHA

not that we ever cheat...apart from rewriting a few halflife dlls ;-).....
(joking...I can't even write my name on a piece of paper  ... ).
Cheers,
Lee
Overeverythinged.....

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 06 October 2000 13:44
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
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good news on tele2, I am glad I gave you the tip :-)  we are getting it at
the reading branch just after Christmas (when the �6,000 BT line contract
runs out)

I have enough confidence in the [QKS] clan to let you host the server and
play on your lan with us coming in over the internet - we will still win
:-))


Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Hughes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2000 17:29
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not too bad scott, thanks for asking :-).

Got me client machines specs dealt with, there (the builders) are still
building 
the place, sorting out bandwidth and the like, looks like www.tele2.co.uk do
the best
deal. Went to see the network operation center the other, rather nice..
seem to know what there doing too :-). Check em if your paying through
the nose for low bandwidth access (UK). :-).

p.s. we will destroy you.. but only if we hosts the game server here
(we'll have a lower ping then :-) )....

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2000 15:02
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Subject: RE: Re: [cc] Dial UP, ISDN, Satellite,....better access


hay lee checkout www.quarks.co.uk/qks I hope our clan will kick your butt
:-)

next time I'm up your way I will come in and check it out, how's it going
anyway

Scott

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 05 October 2000 14:34
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When we get going scott, our counterstrike team ...will...ahem...destroy
you..
Cheers,
Lee

-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 05 October 2000 09:24
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Subject: RE: Re: [cc] Dial UP, ISDN, Satellite,....better access


have you researched LAN gaming over Internet gaming, I have 2 sites and 36
pc's all connected to the internet fr gaming.  there is not very much lan
gaming going on as people want to play different games

I will be interested to see how your goes

thanks

Scott

-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Huerta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 04 October 2000 22:19
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Subject: Re: Re: [cc] Dial UP, ISDN, Satellite,....better access


Hi Earl:

Thanks for your advice. Answering your questions, i am planning to 
offer in addtion a connecting to internet:
Gaming for LAN (not for Internet).
About videoconferencing, would be a service not common and then, is 
not a important factor to make a decision. 

Marco H.



De:"Earl J. Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Enviado:Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:43:04 -0400
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Asunto:Re: [cc] Dial UP, ISDN, Satellite,....better access


At 10:44 AM 10/4/00 -0500, Marco Huerta wrote:
>Hi:
>
>What is the better connection for a Cybercafe between 6 or 10
>computers. In my country there isn't xDSL technology. 
>Avaiable are:
>Dial-Up
>ISDN
>Satellite (DirecPC)
>Microwave
>And DS0, T1....
>In my city Cablemodem and xDSL are not aviable yet.
>
>
>But for almost all technology the cost are high, and i need 
>a decent
>access but without working for TELCO.
>
>Any ideas:
>
>MARCO H.

Hi Marco,

 � � �While you told us the number of computers, you did not 
tells us what you are going to have those computers doing...

 � � �Gaming over the internet?
 � � �Gaming over a LAN?
 � � �Video chat/conferencing?

 � � �etc., etc.

 � � �Some brief comments:

>Dial-Up

 � � �Low cost - low bandwidth. �If you don't network (LAN) 
your computers together, each machine will need its own 
modem, and its own dial-up access. �You'll need to take 
steps to ensure that customers do not find out what your 
login names and passwords are for the dial-up accounts, or 
else you may find your dial-up access being usurped by 
others. �Millions of people play internet games via modem 
connections, so it can be considered 'adequate'... �but most 
of those millions wish they had higher bandwidth 
connections. �(To get lower latency)

>ISDN

 � � �Typically slightly more expensive than "dial-up" - 
better bandwidth. �Depending on what services you plan to 
offer, you could either have each machine have its own ISDN 
adapter and access account, or you could have your machines 
share 1, 2 or 3 ISDN access accounts over the LAN. �There 
are ISDN routers available to act as your LAN's interface to 
the internet.

>Satellite (DirecPC)

 � � �Typically more expensive yet - often even better 
bandwidth... �however, be careful. �There is more than one 
way to do satellite. �The original DirecPC arrangement was 
one way from the satellite to you, with a modem (dial-up) 
uplink back to the internet. �Two way satellite links have 
traditionally been VERY expensive. �It appears that is about 
to change. �I believe I have seen at least 2 offerings 
coming out (now, or soon) that use a slightly larger dish 
pointed at the same satellite used for the associated 
Satellite TV service to accomplish 2 way satellite 
connections. �I _think_ one was associated with 
DirecPC/DirecTV and the other was associated with The Dish 
Network. �There are other 2 way satellite offerings, but I 
believe they are priced a good bit higher. �In any case, 
they all have one problem if you are going to be doing 
internet gaming, or video conferencing.... �Latency. �The 
time it takes radio waves to travel from the earth, to the 
satellite, then back to the earth is a noticeable time 
lag. �If high bandwidth connections finally become available 
via low earth orbit satellites, it should reduce that 
latency considerably, but right now, AFAIK, any service 
currently available at a remotely affordable price is using 
geosynchronous orbit satellites (approx. 22,500 miles out, 
IIRC).

>Microwave

 � � �Wireless links of this sort can achieve very high 
bandwidth connections. �It could involve a significant 
initial outlay (radios, antennas and towers) depending on 
how your wireless ISP is willing to do things. �The beauty 
of such an arrangement is that you eliminate the recurring 
monthly charges for a T-1 (or whatever) trunk line. �[Your 
initial costs for the radio gear, etc. is typically recouped 
within 2 to 3 years due to the savings of not paying the 
telco for a trunk] �Microwave requires line of sight 
(LOS). �If you don't have LOS, you either need to go higher 
on the antenna towers to achieve it, or use multiple hops (= 
more radios, antennas & towers). �Depending of your area, 
you may be able to use unlicensed band equipment, or 
not. �Severe weather can interfere with connections too.

>And DS0, T1....

 � � �High bandwidth - High costs (typically). �Great for 
gaming, etc.

 � � �Good luck,

 � � �Earl
 � � � � � � � �



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