check www.tele2.co.uk for all the info you need.
as for contention ratios, you have absoluty no gurantee of what your
connection
is going to be like , unless you got with the big boys like uunet who can
gurantee bandwidth for you...;-), but at �25000 pounds for a 2meg feed,
don't
be getting to many of them :-).
If your getting bandwidth, never take the price they give you as said and
done,
always haggle, you'll be suprised how they fight to get your business.
(we're talking about large dedicated pipes here! ).
As for ADSL, you'll be limited to the contention ratio...at the DSLAM...,
most of the time the bottle neck is on the outer reaches of the ISP's
network
(espically at public peering points), not at the access layer.....
things will change, it's all about quality of service at the end of the day,
the ISP that can adapt to this market will win... :-). simple.
Cheers,
Lee
Cheers,
-----Original Message-----
From: Richie Cheung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 October 2000 12:43
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [cc] ADSL Update
How long and when did you get your ADSL from tele2..? how long have you run
your cafe for using ADSL..? what bandwidth have you gone for..?
Oh yeah.. i was also wondering how the 20:1 contention ratio was
divided/alocated.. issit done by the ISP or the local exchange..? do the
ISP's "have" a certain bandwidth at the local exchange (thus if you go for
the smaller ISP's then you may not need to share your connection with as
many people *hope hope* OR issit totally done by the local exchange
regardless of ISP?)
thanks for answering the questions =)
(we're hopfully getting ADSL today =])
laters
richie (click)
From: Lee Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [cc] ADSL Update
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 12:11:07 +0100
yes, setting up you cafe in the same locatation as an ISP has major cost
advantages....
tele2 seem good, they say they've got enough bandwidth to change the world..
looks good to me :-)....and works well.
ADSL, I'm sure BT are going to fudge this badly....it's not in thier
intrestest
to give people high bandwidth internet links...they have a whole frame
relay/ISDN
network out thier, which is earning them nice $$$$ why undermine this..??
Sounds like commercial sucicide.....I wonder when BT vanshish from the
coporate
landscape, will anyone miss them?
Cheers,
Lee
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Carrie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 October 2000 11:27
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: [cc] ADSL Update
i would not go with ADSL in my internet cafes, i need to have a min
bandwidth and not a share, however a work colleague of min had it installed
on Friday at home and it rocks ( he will be on of this first of up to 50
though)
I am going with a solution from www.tele2.co.uk for the reading site and utp
cable to our isp upstairs for Guildford :-)
I would be interested to here from any cafe in the UK who has it though
Scott
www.quarks.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: Richie Cheung [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 10 October 2000 11:18
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [cc] ADSL Update
Just out of intrest is there anyone on the list in the UK who has already
got ADSL for their cafe? If so how does it perform? compared to leased lines
and do you have any tips..? and who did you get it from?
cheers
Rich (Click)
From: "David Sullivan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [cc] ADSL Update
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2000 11:02:30 +0100
Lee
Call the number I provided yesterday and BT will let you know whether you
are within range of a suitable exchange and they can also transfer you to a
technical section for the other question.
PS Don't mention that the requirement is for a cybercafe. I informed them
it was for an internet business (Not a lie really).
For Single user residential service - 0800 389 6622 information
> 0800 917 9189 to
order
>
> For single user Business service - 0800 783 6340
DaveS
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 5:56 PM
Subject: RE: [cc] ADSL Update
> any idea's are on costs and service availablity? i.e.
> is it london only again?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Sullivan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 09 October 2000 17:08
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [cc] ADSL Update
>
>
> After speaking to BT today.
>
> The ADSL service is definately being rolled out.
> For Single user residential service - 0800 389 6622 information
> 0800 917 9189 to
order
>
> For single user Business service - 0800 783 6340
>
> There is a multi user business sevice which is slightly more expensive.
As
> we use a server for all our staff to access the internet, this is
apparently
> classed by BT as a single user requirement.
> For the business service, once you place your order and providing you
are
> within range of the exchange, then within 2 weeks, a survey will be
arranged
> by BT and if you meet the criteria (technical) then it will take approx
8
> days for fitting.
>
> For my residential service, i was promised that if i order today, it
will
be
> installed by October 31st.
> The available speeds being offered are all at 512kbs down and 256kbs
> upstream. When the existing BT trials are over, there may be more
bandwidth
> available.
>
> DaveS
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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