From: Dave Reay, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
><Our record is very clean in comparison to the police, "bent coppers" are
>more commonplace than "homicidal shooters" >
>
>I have to dispute this one with you. OK, I have the benefit of inside
>knowledge, but define the terms you have used and I challenge this
>assertion. I will simply not let outrageous statements such as this go
>unchallenged. This could be an unhealthy can of worms that you are opening
>here.
I can call on the knowlege of the whole of one police station being
sentenced to various lengths of "time" because the "crime prevention"
team were going around and in effect casing numerous shops. The "night
shift" were then going in and burgling the shops based on the knowledge
gained from the "crime prevention" team. Felling, Gateshead ring any
bells? There certainly has been more cases of bent coppers than
homicidal shooters!!!
>
><This sounds like a thinly veiled threat, are you about to turn into an
>"anti" because so many are against a bad law? The operations of the ACPO
>were not youre responsibility so why do you have a problem because youre
>attempt to defend them is met with such hostility?>
>
>Whew. Doesnt seem to be much I can say without paranoia setting in. Not much
>point in continuing to post with attitudes like this. Show me where I have
>tried to defend anything to do with the handgun ban or ACPO!
Good point! I can't, so I appologise profusely for that comment, but it
still remains a thinly disguised threat.
>
>I have to say that there are some entrenched attitudes here. I don't have to
>apologise for anything I have done.
Neither do we! and yes the attitudes are firmly entrenched, we are
innocent of any crimes but have been sentenced regardless. We all had to
go to a police station to be robbed of our lawfully held possesions, if
you cannot see how much that affects our attitude towards the police
then there is no more to be said.
>I have been branded worse than a
>pickpocket here, merely because I dared to challenge some dogmatic views.
>The thinly veiled comparison to Nazi concentration camp guards is probably
>the worst. That it comes from people who have never met me and have
>absolutely no idea of my religious background makes it even more worrying.
>As 'Pendrous' correctly observes, a public display of such hatred and
>hostility for the police does not do anyone any good, but please, I am NOT
>an agent provocateur. You dont need an agent provocateur!
I do not think he was refering to you on this count but I will contact
him via E-mail to confirm.
>I feel responsible for unleashing this venom, so I will sign off now for the
>sake of my sport. Personally, I am quite used to people having a go, after
>all, I have been a police officer for over 25 years. However, to have such
>attacks bordering on the personal come from people who are allegedly
>enjoying the same sport as me is a bit disconcerting. To be told that I
>should not air my views or opinions is frightening.
>All I can say is that I have had my eyes opened!
Are you recieving E-mails that we are not privy to? If this is the case
I for one would like to know who from! I do not want to be associated
with anyone that would not be prepared to have to answer for his
comments, but would rely on the anonimity of the internet to threaten or
otherwise badly use another.
>Dave - chill out. No point in bursting blood vessels!
>IG
My blood vessels do not burst so easily! I love a good debate because it
is the only way of finding out the true feelings of those involved. I
sincerely hope that you do not sign off and continue to add input to
this NG. Could I suggest that it is you who should chill out and take a
reasoned, unbiased look at why we are so full of Hell. As a shooter
youreself, you must be asking the same questions, what am I guilty of?
When you come up with answer of "nothing" then you can ask youreself
"then why have I been punished"? The "Magna Carta" or was it he "Bill of
Rights" it matters little because both are the foundation of "British"
law, was quite clear on the subject, "All fines forfeitures or seizures"
will be deemed null and void unless they have been proscribed by a court
of law. My firearms were stolen from me without recourse to a trial by
jury, I have not been found guilty of any crime, but sentence has been
carried out, this is illegal. The fact that the police aided and abetted
this act of criminality has made us very wary of anything to do with the
police. Who can we trust?
--
Dave Reay
Cybershooters website: http://www.cybershooters.org
List admin: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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