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> > Most Americans are so dependent, so hopelessly inurred with the current
> > lifestyle that they wouldn't recognize communism if it bit them in the ass.
>
> Agreed. That is precisely my point -- and yet they condemn it with all
> of the passion that the state says a good citizen should.
>
> 10 minute hate sound familiar?
It was the two minutes of hate, and it was from 1984 by George Orwell.
> > Lets be real up front here. Unless you have been out to lunch recently
> > Communism is an experiment that failed so miserably it exterminated
> > almost 100 million human beings last century. If that were a disease
> > we would have government funded programs to wipe it out. Actively
> > trying to infect people with it would land you in jail.
>
> Agreed. And I'm not a communist. I'm not arguing for communism; in
> fact, I would argue AGAINST it .. but:
>
> I would not propose to wipe out a disease without having properly studied
> it to see whether it was worth wiping out to begin with!
>
> Neither should men condemn communism if they know nothing about it.
Well, in that case, since I do know first hand about communism, you've no
reason to claim I've no right to condemn it. And I would condemn it regardless
of your oppinion. :)
> Good idea -- too bad it isn't always so easy to just up and change your
> profession, or go back to school when you have 3 kids.
>
> Sometimes people make bad choices, I agree -- but I don't agree that one
> should have to pay for the rest of their life because of it.
But that's the reality of life. Sometimes you make a bad decision and it costs
you your job, or your money, or even your life. It's reality. It may suck,
but it can't be denied.
> No. Let the companies pay for them. If I am going to give them my sweat,
> time away from my loved ones and the fruit of my talents and labor the
> least they can do is make my life a little more cushy .. or give me
> more green up front.. either is acceptable. But if you are going to
> scale down the wage, then be prepared to compensate the worker in other
> ways.
So if you have no job, how would you pay for health benefits for your loved
ones? Personally, I'd rather get the money back from the bunch spent on health
care so that I can pick and choose my own provider.
> My point is merely that I would rather have people who oppose communism
> because they understand it, and do not agree, rather than a populace that
> hates communism because the State tells them too.
I would agree with this, but again, don't defend communism just because the
sheeple think it's bad and don't understand it.
> First, I'd like to see you argue from the foundations of communism that
> socialism/communism REQUIRES such a tyrannical rule. Don't argue history.
> Anyone who knows anything about Marx knows he would have hated the USSR
> and China.
Then I'd like you to argue from the foundation of capitalism that capitalism
requires a government such as ours. Don't argue hostory. Anyone who knows
anything about Ayn Rand, knows she would have hated our government...
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