Lord Kelvin, died in 1907, before there were "accurate computer models" that 
could show anything at all. Certainly that makes this a meager and 
unsatisfactory quote. 

There is abundant research, of the scientifically valid kind, showing that the 
climate is changing, and indeed it would be strange if it were not. You are 
illustrating the op's point nicely, w/r/t politicized scientific bullshit. 

> On Aug 16, 2016, at 2:26 PM, jim bell <jdb10...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> From: John Newman <j...@synfin.org>
> >I disagree, vehemently.  Global warming is not a red herring.  Permafrost is 
> >melting, oceans are rising and acidifying, and the future for big >coastal 
> >cities is looking very bleak indeed.  There is a scientific consensus on 
> >this issue.
> 
> I don't see how there can be "scientific consensus" unless there are accurate 
> computer models which show how up climate temperature increases as a product 
> of addition of CO2 to the atmosphere.  Both qualitatively and quantitatively. 
>  How much do these problems represent?
> 
> From Lord Kelvin:
> 
> “When you can measure what you are speaking about, and express it in numbers, 
> you know something about it, when you cannot express it in numbers, your 
> knowledge is of a meager and unsatisfactory kind; it may be the beginning of 
> knowledge, but you have scarely, in your thoughts advanced to the stage of 
> science.”
> 
> http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/166961-when-you-can-measure-what-you-are-speaking-about-and
> 
> There is also the prospect of adding SO2 to the high atmosphere to counteract 
> heating, which could be a very cheap solution.
> 
>             Jim Bell
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