On 9/3/16 5:00 PM, Razer wrote: > On 09/03/2016 11:41 AM, grarpamp wrote: > >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." > That's why I'm here. I'm on the 'society' end of that dyad. > > Just in case it REALLY matters to Juan (hereafter known as 'the troll') > to know what my interest in the list is, and further, for 'the troll's > information one of the personal influences I named, Herbert Marcuse, > whose work precedes cryptography as social influence, would have fucking > well discussed it. Further, the Marxists of his time, the political > inclination 'the troll' accuses me of adhering to, rejected Marcuse. It > was an Anarchist... Abbie Hoffman, who is the only person of the times > afaict who understood WTF Marcuse (and McLuhan) was talking about and > put it into effect in his activism.
An interesting Townshend quote relative to Abbie: http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/opinions/bergen-1970s-terrorism/index.html > Townshend shouted "Fuck off! Fuck off my stage!" > Townshend later said that while he actually agreed with Hoffman on Sinclair's > imprisonment > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration>, he would have knocked him > offstage regardless of the content of his message, given > that Hoffman had violated the "sanctity of the stage," i.e., the right of the > band to perform uninterrupted by distractions not > relevant to the show. I like that: "right of the band to perform uninterrupted by distractions not relevant to the show." I was just looking at this history of anarchism, terrorism, etc.: Seems a lot like what some of the philosophokiddies are spewing toward. But it's all been done before. The points have been made, some adjustments were incorporated. After a good hard neo-con swing, swinging the other way quite a bit. But a lot has been absorbed and learned, so not quite so simplistic. Anyway, mostly off topic. http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/opinions/bergen-1970s-terrorism/index.html http://rfrancocsp.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-terrorists-of-1970s.html http://www.sbs.com.au/programs/Seventies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_Underground > In Weatherman theory "oppressed peoples" are the creators of the wealth of > empire, "and it is to them that it belongs." "The goal > of revolutionary struggle must be the control and use of this wealth in the > interest of the oppressed peoples of the world." "The > goal is the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless > world: world communism" The philosophokiddie cyperpunks are thoroughly punked and parodied in Mr. Robot: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/the-creator-of-mr-robot-explains-its-hacktivist-and-cult-roots > > Rr > > >> On Sat, Sep 3, 2016 at 4:38 AM, Zenaan Harkness <z...@freedbms.net> wrote: >>> shit and get down to business on analysing political philosphies, to >>> find practical approaches for our modern societies full of schooled >> This list is *not* for that, and it's not a list to longtalk food recipes, >> or anything else either. Lack of moderation is not license for people >> to come here and setup their own offtopic shops, grossly, willfully >> and continually disrespecting what it says on the tin and the history >> of the list long before you [1], to the tune of many tens to hundreds >> of messages per month, especially without tying it into that. >> If you want to longtalk anything other than that to the point >> that the charter would need a whole new section just for you, >> GO FIND OR MAKE YOUR OWN FUCKING LIST FOR THAT. >> >> [1] >> "The Cypherpunks mailing list is a mailing list for discussing >> cryptography and its effect on society." >> There are reasonable relateds within the realm of "cypherpunk" to include >> *its* >> computing, tools, privacy, surveillance, law, news, literature / art / >> society, >> hacking / making, organizations and projects, politics, tech, science, >> solutions, >> crime, etc, etc. >> >> The occaisional short lived foray under self regulation and restraint into >> untied topics of possible interest to readerbase might be considered ok, >> however NOT to the extent that it's been abused ongoing. >> >> If you're wondering why the "thousands" of people on the list >> aren't "analysing political philosophies" with you, it's because >> YOU'RE FUCKING OFFTOPIC, THEY DON'T WANT TO, and >> they've BLOCKED YOUR ASS. >> >> But for new people hoping to find a real or even passable cypherpunk >> list, and before even joining and blocking you, but just looking over >> archives, your noise, and the angry abusive trolls, kills it for them. >> >> Have some respect for that. >> The lot of you. >> Or get off here. >> sdw