-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 03/22/2018 01:43 PM, jim bell wrote: > > > On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 10:36:10 PM PDT, Marina Brown > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 > > On 03/22/2018 01:06 AM, jim bell wrote: >> On Wednesday, March 21, 2018, 3:37:48 PM PDT, juan >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 21:30:32 +0000 (UTC) jim bell >> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> >>> >>>> I don't have to agree with this, in order to recognize >>>> reality. >>>> >> >>> Come on. >> >>> If you actually didn't agree with this you'd denounce it as a >>> wholly criminal, anti-libertarian activity carried by the US >>> government. >> >> >> So now, you are actually criticizing me for FAILING to engage in >> 'virtue signalling'!!! >> >> Virtue signalling >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling> > > > >> I am not in support of borders and i support people's right to >> travel > without "Papers". > > > > I notice that you don't distinguish between public (government) > borders and private (private property) borders. Why is that? I > oppose government borders. But I believe in the concept of > private property, which amounts to the right to exclude others from > that property. We live on the surface (2 dimensional, more or > less) of a sphere (Earth) and we desire to travel and have goods > (and information) brought to us. That will require that roads and > other utilities be constructed and maintained, and that costs > money. The people who finance such construction will therefore > have rights. > > Think of your neighborhood: In the post-governmental (as we know > it) future, people will voluntarily enter into contracts to build > and maintain roads and other connections (power, water, sewer). > This may limit those who don't enter into those contracts from > using those roads. Who knows what the owners/maintainers of those > roads may agree to? > > Not wanting to think about such eventualities doesn't mean that > they won't eventually occur. > > >> I grieved when Gilmore's right to travel case was decided against >> him. > > > For what it's worth, I also oppose it when government requires > people to show some sort of identification in order to travel. But > I believe I cannot prohibit it if a private (non-governmental) > company such as an airline decides, for itself, that it will insist > on identification in order to allow passengers to travel. The risk > to fellow passengers has become too great (hijacking, bombing, etc) > to avoid this, sadly. I COULD choose to take airlines that DIDN'T > require people to identify themselves. Presumably, such airlines > will exist when that is allowed. > > > >> I guess travelling through E Germany in 1973 made a pretty heavy > impression on me as a child. > >> If you say i am "Virtue Signaling" that would be hillarious. > > > > You will notice that I didn't say that. > > Jim Bell > > >
Most libertarians are opposed to collectivism. The idea that a neihborhood or country is privately owned by the members who then can keep anyone out or kick people out can become rather nightmarish form of collectivism. I tend to support voluntary associations except when they become repressive and totalitarian. Heck, even homeowner associations sometimes become repressive. ...which is why i live out in the sticks where you don't even need a permit to build things. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQGcBAEBCAAGBQJas+6NAAoJEPn/Y5FXPbRCpZcL/i/WLHtcnpjKSogvjfc1KFij dRpUwHYhB2yidnIKYmtZhU3PzpSH1A+T7RLpcjJV+QfRcEazAjFJ6yC4MsZHiybM dwsO9DMsWsR0Ny3SfSJ6sGKcNzJKUkXdY40HFg4ibiWmsG1LaY+lV6WF0G90g1gD aSFShG36SGok1v9FERupR4yYby6DXxHKvPc/BUltuniHCZog4oQCv3kb3XHSyAdr cSfbjOqEMilQmHOIM2qTI4emyNe+p2wPsYKNO5zSRRP9VuPxsN5ZUPM8xz9mTJhN 57/VwRyRM3uuv9ltnMdAOVHkrJmixMfNRtGNRF4UcBpbZq9WDng7yDERDEkealKy /1Wtp/ltD0aFekAnFxxK6jYnUYmi2sg66eo77HWSXe+8J7MRbvcxC0JgImO5lPZC FIf5g9FfFh6nnBCLxKUmcwCF+6gcgfT8gYrt6rKwwUkRVnqjXUcgeojmde5BNHl2 aAbKPp0wAVGwuSjRYo3b2/clpuMMKzy+MXnD8lyyOg== =53Ny -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
