On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 11:37:02AM +1100, Zenaan Harkness wrote: > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 09:18:19PM +0000, jim bell wrote: > > On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 12:46:40 PM PST, Kurt Buff > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 11:33 AM jim bell <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > >> (Full disclosure: I have a Bachelor's degree in Chemistry from MIT, > > >> Class of 1980). > > >> > > >> While I am not sufficently convinced that, quantitatively, "global > > >> warming" ("climate change"), or more specifically AGW (Anthropogenic > > >> Global Warning) is a genuine problem, I'd say it would be irresponsible > > >> to not prepare for the possibility that this sulfur-injection protocol > > >> will be necessary, or at least useful. It should be quite cheap. > > >> Further, there are likely to be various (positive) feedback-loops > > >> associated with global warming, such as the thawing of permafrost, whose > > >> magnitude aren't well-understood. > > >> > > >> I suspect that the main opposition to this idea comes from people who > > >> see "climate change" as simply an opportunity to increase government > > >> control over the world. They think that they've found themselves one > > >> hell of a problem, but a problem which would be threatened, like garlic > > >> or a silver bullet, or a gold cross, to a vampire. > > > > > > >So, the solution to warming is smog? Really? Perhaps if injected at a > > high enough altitude it won't affect lungs, but it seems like SO2 > > isn't something we want to pump into the atmosphere... > > Kurt > > > > Ironically, that solution will likely be correct. But to understand why, > > it helps to know that circulation between the lower-levels of the > > atmosphere (say, under 10,000 AGL (above ground level)) and the upper > > levels, say around 60,000 feet AGL is quite slow. SO2 injected at low > > levels of the atmosphere will wash out in weeks or months due to rain. > > SO2 injected at, say, 60,000 feet AGL will probably last for years. That > > SO2 will eventually diffuse downward and be lost due to rain as well, but > > far less SO2 will need to be added at 60,000 feet than is currently being > > added from ground-level sources. > > China's coal-fired power plants currently emit huge amounts of ground-level > > SO2, which could be scrubbed just like America's plants. > > http://www.pnas.org/content/115/27/7004 And, presumably, should be > > scrubbed. But only a far smaller amount of SO2, than could be scrubbed > > from China's coal-fired power plants would need to be released at 60,000 > > feet AGL, each on a per-year basis, to accomplish the cooling effect > > required. I looked it up, maybe a year ago, and I think the comparison was > > 32 million tons/year v. 1 million tons/year. I hope I'm remembering it > > correctly. > > > > Jim Bell > > We actually want the earth to be a warm, wet greenhouse. In fact, > life demands as much...
The Little Ice Age with Solar Minimum, and the only problem this Earth really has to worry about, right on cue: Martin Armstrong: Global Cooling, Not Warming, Is What We Should Fear Most https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-29/martin-armstrong-global-cooling-not-warming-what-we-should-fear-most https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/climate/global-cooling-not-global-warming-that-we-should-fear-the-most/ … This is what I keep pointing out that cold is what kills society and creates poverty – not warming. The Year Without Summer: 1816 … Beneath the snow, after weeks of severe cold, the ground was frozen solid to a depth of two feet. Packed ice in the road made the journey very hazardous. … John Adams: “… Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it.”
