On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote: > List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost.
(This report is from last Friday) Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately. - Greg > On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: > >Rethread from > >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html > > > >Priv said: > >>> Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing > >list > >> that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces > > > >No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking. > > > >[email protected] is run by silly censors. > > > >> Perhaps this would be a good time to > > > >Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere. > > > > > > > >> You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list > > > >> 554 5.7.1 <[email protected]>: Recipient address rejected: > >> you must be a subscriber to [email protected] to post to the > >list. > > > >> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. If > >> you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list > >> owners at [email protected]. > > > >To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages > >posted through to the list that in any way justify > >this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because > >the list is under total moderation... as such, said > >"moderaters" have personally approved every single > >poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore > >every message posted to the list, including mine, > >has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully > >compliant with charter and fully endorsed by > >"moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every > >oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even > >objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to > >which there were effectively no substantive objections > >therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to > >themselves being censored on objections, thus > >any of those objections were logically deemed invalid > >by moderator that action serving as a double approval > >by moderator. > > > >There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship > >will be permitted to open original thread discussion > >on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful > >in raising argument direct to censorious moderators... > >history shows both those as generally futile efforts... > >thus there can be no real expectation that the censored > >should even bother trying such avenues of recourse. > >To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube, > >Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them > >and move to better solutions. > > > >Instead of following on from the rare mentions of > >censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full > >original thread discussion with and for subscribers > >on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved > >tens of one sided threads and posts through to the > >list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference > >links, conversation and data from being posted in > >reply to those very same threads and posts moderators > >approved in the first place, or by direct notice... > >Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and > >logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically > >related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list. > > > >Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless, > >and supports above status, as again, the list is under > >total moderation whereby all posts must be approved, > >and the ban button has zero effect on other fora. > > > >At least now more people know the list is unreasonably > >biased and censored. > > > >""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic > >technology and its political impact ... security and > >privacy technology and its impact ... technical > >aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of > >cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ... > >export ... laws ..." > > > >Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment > >of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem > >Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of > >Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored > >there, and that no other games are being played with > >crypto topics... who knows. > > > >I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias, > >hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open > >discussion on the [email protected] list such > >that the list membership may become apprised > >and participate as the ongoing source of moderation > >guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful > >to charter original threads approved are able to > >enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all > >subscribers interested in doing so respectably within > >thread topic as developed. > > > > > >Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to explode... > > > >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html > > > >For more fun... besides searching this list for more > >"[email protected]" censorship logs, > >and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown > >at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy > >over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved > >even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted > >prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra > >Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there... > > > >https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html > > > >... you have no idea what got censored in that thread, > >or in any other thread there over the years, because there's > >zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly > >being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed > >with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered. > >Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers, > >GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of > >the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things? > > > >And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing > >Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual... > >https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ > >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers > >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech > > > > > >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo > > > >Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...
