On Thu, Aug 01, 2019 at 11:29:14AM +0000, John Newman wrote: > > > On July 31, 2019 5:50:06 PM UTC, Greg Newby <[email protected]> wrote: > >On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:02:26PM +0000, John Newman wrote: > >> List archives are down - the website is going to the gutenberg vhost. > > > >(This report is from last Friday) > > > >Did anyone else encounter problems? Or, more importantly, are there any > >ongoing problems? I wasn't able to recreate what John reported, and (as > >promised) have not been trying to "fix" anything lately. > > - Greg > > Hi Greg - > > I noticed the problem when I tried to click on the link > grarpamp sent, it 404'd and going to lists.cpunks.org > loaded the Gutenberg site. But, it all started working > properly later on that same day, or sometime soon after > (I can't remember precisely , but it came back quickly)
I think this was just bad luck at visiting the site while the service was being restarted. It takes a few seconds for all the Apache virtual hosts to reinitiate. - Greg > > > >> On July 26, 2019 5:47:48 AM UTC, grarpamp <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >Rethread from > >> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075615.html > >> > > >> >Priv said: > >> >>> Subject: You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing > >> >list > >> >> that looks a lot like an auto-remove due to bounces > >> > > >> >No. That's the admin unsubscribe button talking. > >> > > >> >[email protected] is run by silly censors. > >> > > >> >> Perhaps this would be a good time to > >> > > >> >Call them out and quit that list for elsewhere. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >> You have been unsubscribed from the cryptography mailing list > >> > > >> >> 554 5.7.1 <[email protected]>: Recipient address rejected: > >> >> you must be a subscriber to [email protected] to post to > >the > >> >list. > >> > > >> >> The email address you supplied is banned from this mailing list. > >If > >> >> you think this restriction is erroneous, please contact the list > >> >> owners at [email protected]. > >> > > >> >To expand... there were *never* at any time any messages > >> >posted through to the list that in any way justify > >> >this laughable action by Perry the Censor, because > >> >the list is under total moderation... as such, said > >> >"moderaters" have personally approved every single > >> >poster, thread, and message to the list. Therefore > >> >every message posted to the list, including mine, > >> >has been *by exclusive logical definition* fully > >> >compliant with charter and fully endorsed by > >> >"moderator" and, regarding what did post, had every > >> >oppurtunity to be discussed, counter opined, even > >> >objected to by the list recipients publicly on list, to > >> >which there were effectively no substantive objections > >> >therein, either due to lack of cause, and or due to > >> >themselves being censored on objections, thus > >> >any of those objections were logically deemed invalid > >> >by moderator that action serving as a double approval > >> >by moderator. > >> > > >> >There is no reason to believe subjects of censorship > >> >will be permitted to open original thread discussion > >> >on list regarding such censorship, nor be successful > >> >in raising argument direct to censorious moderators... > >> >history shows both those as generally futile efforts... > >> >thus there can be no real expectation that the censored > >> >should even bother trying such avenues of recourse. > >> >To wit, who has succeeded with Facebook, YouTube, > >> >Twitter, Instagram, etc... people have to quit them > >> >and move to better solutions. > >> > > >> >Instead of following on from the rare mentions of > >> >censorship that did made it on list by opening up a full > >> >original thread discussion with and for subscribers > >> >on list in public as to why Perry the Censor approved > >> >tens of one sided threads and posts through to the > >> >list, and then blocked counter opinion, reference > >> >links, conversation and data from being posted in > >> >reply to those very same threads and posts moderators > >> >approved in the first place, or by direct notice... > >> >Perry the Censor hit the ban button when proven and > >> >logged out as Biased Censor to the other topically > >> >related yet unmoderated and public cypherpunks list. > >> > > >> >Note the ban button clearly being laughably pointless, > >> >and supports above status, as again, the list is under > >> >total moderation whereby all posts must be approved, > >> >and the ban button has zero effect on other fora. > >> > > >> >At least now more people know the list is unreasonably > >> >biased and censored. > >> > > >> >""Cryptography" is ... devoted to cryptographic > >> >technology and its political impact ... security and > >> >privacy technology and its impact ... technical > >> >aspects of cryptosystems, social repercussions of > >> >cryptosystems, and the politics of cryptography ... > >> >export ... laws ..." > >> > > >> >Surely Satoshi is a bit dissapointed at artificial curtailment > >> >of discussion in above areas regarding their cryptosystem > >> >Genesis. One would hope that no original leaks of > >> >Top Secret breaks to cryptosystems are being censored > >> >there, and that no other games are being played with > >> >crypto topics... who knows. > >> > > >> >I might reconsider claimed status in re censorship, bias, > >> >hypocrisy, etc upon such time as there is free and open > >> >discussion on the [email protected] list such > >> >that the list membership may become apprised > >> >and participate as the ongoing source of moderation > >> >guidance, and upon such time as any reasonably mindful > >> >to charter original threads approved are able to > >> >enjoy reasonably full illumination thereafter by all > >> >subscribers interested in doing so respectably within > >> >thread topic as developed. > >> > > >> > > >> >Here's the censored post that caused the Censor's minds to > >explode... > >> > > >> >https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2019-July/075596.html > >> > > >> >For more fun... besides searching this list for more > >> >"[email protected]" censorship logs, > >> >and the FUD and Anti posts moderator approved to be thrown > >> >at true cypherpunk cryptoanarchic cryptocurrencies and philosophy > >> >over time there... see all the random posts that then got approved > >> >even in just this OP thread, yet the sole one that plainly noted > >> >prophecy regarding both Orange's Twittered USD and Red's FB Libra > >> >Fiat GovBankCorp Regulator Coins... got censored, it's not there... > >> > > >> > >>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035180.html > >> > > >> >... you have no idea what got censored in that thread, > >> >or in any other thread there over the years, because there's > >> >zero transparency there... it's readers are seemingly > >> >being steered by Censors tilting... seeded, fed, and programmed > >> >with a thought stream that is not permitted to be countered. > >> >Is this what we should have for a group of applied cryptographers, > >> >GovCorp consultants, open source devs, that at least part of > >> >the world might look to for, or receive in, their crypto things? > >> > > >> >And here's Serf and Order Follower Tamzen Cannoy doing > >> >Perry Metzger the Censors wetwork for him as usual... > >> > >>https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2019-July/035195.html > >> > > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roBgsXA77Zs > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9FpBAVuIc > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZON5IlxyBkQ > >> >https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=order+followers > >> > >>https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=tommy+robinson+banned+speech > >> > > >> > > >> >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpra3cFLmMo > >> > > >> >Don't be Silenced, Share the Risk, Speak Freely...
