On Mar 12, 2009, at 12:07 AM, Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote:

>> Robert Bradshaw wrote:
>> On Mar 7, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Robert Bradshaw wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a "probably," but it's sounding like at this point we don't have
>>> enough potential mentors to be a full mentoring organization unless
>>> someone else stands up. On the numerical side of things, perhaps a
>>> NumPy person would be willing.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I think we're higher on Python's radar than last
>>> year, so I'm hopeful of at least getting one (maybe two) spots for
>>> them. The quality of the students and projects will play a huge role
>>> here--one thing I learned at the summit last year is that it's not
>>> even worth you time to go after sub-par projects (though good
>>> students are an extremely good return on the investment of mentoring
>>> them).
>>
>> Just a reminder, the organization app is due Friday if we decide to
>> do it.
>>
>> Another advantage of being a mentor organization is that we get $500/
>> student. I'm not exactly sure what Cython would do with the money at
>> this point (we don't have infrastructure to support, it's not enough
>> to fund a get-together) I would propose it would be divvied out to
>> the mentors to help offset the time they put into it. (They Python
>> Foundation keeps the $500/student, which I'm fine with as they're big
>> enough to have actual costs.) But being under an umbrella
>> organization worked out well last time and is certainly less work and
>> more flexibility on our part.
>
> This was up on the NumPy list -- they basically decided to go with  
> the PSF
> for lack of manpower to put together an application (though there were
> arguments in favor of staying with the PSF anyway). Anyway, if one  
> still
> wants to apply one could consider doing it together with NumPy in  
> order to
> have a larger mentor base. I can't help that much myself though  
> (polishing
> the project list and so on I could always do, but not submitting the
> actual application).


Going together on it with NumPy is an interesting idea, though it  
doesn't elevate all the cons.

Submitting the actual application doesn't seem too laborious (though  
it is a bit of work) but the main concern for me is that we have to  
commit to a certain level of involvement. One really nice thing about  
being with Python is that we can wait and see what kind of students  
and proposals we get, and then decide what to do about it. The  
downside is that we'll probably only get 1, or at most 2, slots  
(which isn't much of a downside given the response so far).

It's a lot easier to get motivated once we have actual students and  
projects in place, assuming we'll get at least some of the caliber we  
want.

- Robert
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