Let me just add to the mix: In 1916-21 my paternal grandparents were enrolled in degree programs at the Universities of Czernowitz and Vienna respectively. I recall they needed to prove citizenship by way of birth record as a requisite for admission. Maybe I am applying modern standards, but it seems unlikely that official university records of the time would be considered moot in the absence of other verifiable documents. Perhaps this or a similar avenue might be worth exploring should it apply.
Jordan Bernhard On Jan 28, 2022, at 4:29 AM, Daniel Baker <[email protected]> wrote: Dear all, Just to add my experiences, I applied for Romanian citizenship in mid-2018 based on my grandmother's birth in Czernowitz. I had official, certified records from the Czernowitz archives confirming that her birth is registered in the Cznernowitz birth registry. After 2.5 years of waiting, the authorities informed me that this document is now considered insufficient proof, due to an increase in (allegedly) fraudulent documents from Ukraine and Russia. I was informed that I need a birth extract from the Czernowitz city hall (why this would be less subject to fraud than the documents from the city archive was not explained). However, a Ukrainian lawyer I retained to help me informed that in most cases the Ukrainian local authorities do not issue birth extracts for persons born during the Romanian period. So although I am still pushing ahead, it seems that there is a big loop-hole in the citizenship laws making it very difficult to obtain or reclaim citizenship. Best wishes, Daniel Ari Baker Geneva, Switzerland On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 12:56 PM Nomy Weber <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: To all compatriotes I was born in Czernowitz in 1945. Since 1962 I have been living in Israel. I tried to obtain it in Ukraine but without result. I tried also in Radautz where we lived until 1962 but it was not found. Unfortunately are not better With regards, Mrs Nomy(Nana) WEBER-KORN On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 8:35 PM Daniel Dubowy <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi all, My father was born in Czernowitz in 1908 and he had a birth certificate issued then and there (in German). He lived however in Romania from 1918 until 1981, when he moved to Germany. While in Romania, he was issued at some point a Romanian birth certificate by the Romanian authorities and that is the document he had used while there. How this was done I have no idea but I suppose that anyone who lived in Romania and had Romanian citizenship, had to be able to present a Romanian birth certificate when required. I’m not sure how this worked before 1945 as opposed to after 1945. Regards, Daniel From: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Berti Glaubach Sent: 24-Jan-22 4:28 AM To: RUTH GOLD <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Cc: Czernowitz Group via cornell server <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [czernowitz-l] Romanian citizenship Dear Ruth, If you are born in Czernowitz, the place to find your birth certificate is not in Romania. You have to obtain it from the Ukrainian consulate notarized and authenticated in Kiev, all in Ukrainian, alternatively by using the services of a local advocate, or notary from Cz. You then have it translated, notarized and apostilled by the ministry of foreign affairs of the country you live. This is a sine qua non for obtaining Romanian citizenship. For Austrian citizenship, according to the new law, one of your direct ancestors had to have left Austrian Republic territory between 1933 and 1955. Alternatively, he could have been an Austrian citizen living outside Austria in the same period. Any other criteria are not relevant. Of course, there are exceptions for outstanding services to those states, etc. but these are not included in the two laws of lost citizenship by past generations. 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