Sorry Nate I disagree with respect of extending AppWizard.  I would like to 
see the AppWizard dropped.  Let me say I use AppWizard everytime I want to 
test the data interfaces but that's all.  

When Yair Alan Griver published CodeBook he provided a sample invoice example 
that used most of the features of a 3 tier design.  I wonder if a wiki 
tutorial on creating an invoice would work as our tool for newbies?  

I like tutorials that start off with simple screens/examples and move to the 
complex.  Each of the examples would teach a part of Dabo.  I would not be 
quick to start with the GUI either.  Understanding the role of bizObjects 
does not require a GUI form.  

John
On Monday 18 December 2006 09:50, Nate Lowrie wrote:
> On 12/18/06, Paul McNett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ed Leafe wrote:
> > > On Dec 17, 2006, at 10:54 PM, Paul McNett wrote:
> > >> I don't regret it, but would love to see an alternative appwizard to
> > >> learn from. For now, the current one really does seem to fill all my
> > >> basic needs.
>
> An alternative app wizard?  What exactly would it do?  I think a
> better option for learning might be a tutorial or screencast on how to
> take an Application generated by the App Wizard and expand it's
> capabilities
>
> > >       That's part of the problem, too. It really is a very useful tool.
> > > That makes it easier for people to expect it to do whatever they want
> > > instead of understanding its limits and making the correct choice
> > > beforehand.
>
> That's something that you are just going to have to deal with.
> Nowadays, more and more people expect a single magic app to just spit
> out a splitting image of what they are thinking an app should be in
> their minds.  We can created a dozen articles, wiki pages, and
> screencasts highlighting the limitations of the app wizard and there
> will still be people out there that will ask why the app wizard
> doesn't do this or bad mouth dabo because the app wizard couldn't do
> that.  It's sad but I've seen it happen.
>
> > IOW, we are touching on good 'ol human nature! :)
> >
> > It takes experience with a thing to determine the limitations, and how
> > to possibly improve the thing. We'll need to keep telling people over
> > and over again what the intent of the AppWizard is, and what class of
> > problems it potentially solves. Eventually perhaps we can point to a
> > wiki page (someone want to put that together, complete with the nuance
> > between our opinions on the scalability of AppWizard-generated apps?)
>
> This is good.  I think that there should probably be several wiki
> entries/screencasts/articles on:
>
> 1) Intent of App Wizard and what it does.
> 2) Limitations of App Wizard
> 3) Scalability of App Wizard-generated apps
> 4) Customizing and expanding an App Wizard-generated App
>
> There's my $.02.  If no one takes this, eventually I will get around to it.
>
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