Ed Leafe wrote:
> On Jun 3, 2007, at 12:16 PM, Carl Karsten wrote:
> 
>> I think they do cause harm: confusion.  I didn't even know the font  
>> object
>> existed because I saw the "magic" first.   using the magic will  
>> really hurt when
>> it is time to migrate code to 2.0, which won't hurt if the font  
>> object is used.
> 
>       You misread what Paul wrote. He said we won't even *consider* this  
> until then. 

I don't your idea of what he meant is the same as mine.  I would love to look 
up 
and re-read it, but you deleted it.  I know you like deleting, but I think you 
should restrict it to things you are not referring too.

My guess is the lack of consideration only applies to the time it happens, not 
weather it happens or not.

Also, I think there are some other things that are currently inconsistent, and 
adding 'features' (not sure what else to call it) just for the sake of 
consistency seems worth considering now.

> There is no decision on this, and when the time comes  
> that this is ever debated, I will be squarely on the side of not  
> changing it.

That sure looks like discussion to me.  but as long as it isn't, I'll cast my 
vote for being on the side of changing it.

> 
>       Second, this isn't "magic", and your use of the term biases the  
> discussion. One of the things we are especially proud of in Dabo is  
> how we wrap a lot of the underlying complexity and enable you to  
> write code that is simple and direct. 

I think the flatting took it a step too far.  From my point of view, the object 
notation is simpler to work with because it organizes things logically.

 > A large part of my Pycon 2007
> presentation was about this very fact. That is never going to change  
> as long as I'm part of Dabo.

I too have no plans on changing pycon 2007.

Carl K


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