Hi, if you have followed the UI refactoring discussion lately then you will have noticed that the intended target audience for DT are programmers and graphics nerds who really know what each module does, in which order the modules have to be edited, how the modules interact with each other, when to use wavelets, how to add masks and blending modes and so on. DT is not intended to be used by novices and casual users who just want nice looking images.
However, look at it from the positive side: If you at some point got a result that is actually on par with the competition's two slider solutions then you have learned a lot about the deep internals of image processing, camera curves, color spaces, blending modes, masks, demosaicing, wavelets and so on. Maybe you will at some point encounter an image that needs more treatment than the typical two slider solutions can handle and then you know what to do. When I really have to denoise an image in DT then I use a five stage process. First I use the raw denoise with a fairly low level to remove a bit of noise prior to the demosaicing. The demosaicing itself affects the shape of the noise in later stages so editing this is crucial for me (at least with Fuji X-Trans). After the demosaicing I use two profile denoisers, one for chroma and one for luma, again with fairly low levels, optimized blending settings and dark area masks. Later when I have done my exposure work I use the equalizer to get rid of the remaining noise (again with mask). Finally I play with the levels and masks of all these stages to get the best result. Sometimes I add a tiny bit of grain and/or dithering at the end to smooth out the processing artifacts and to make the result visually more pleasing. I know that seems a lot of work but at least this gets me really close to the result that I can achieve with the free CaptureOne version that came with my camera. I don't need denoising very often as my camera has fairly good high Iso capabilities and a nice grain pattern to the noise. So noise is not that big of a problem for me (at least it's not big enough to reboot to Windows just for denoising). Am 05.11.2018 um 14:48 schrieb Andrey: > I like DT. I've spent a lot of time exploring related materials, > trying to get most of nr. I prepared a demonstrative picture and asked > people to teach me (time to time - forums and irc channel - last 2 > years). Yes, I keep using DPP. What is the point of my last try here > you think?! To sit on a mode? To wave a flag? If DT were a crap, we > wouldn't talk here. I point out the problem - you point out my > thoughts and mode I sit on. What is wrong? You say, that we have a > great power with DT. Teach people to get a best result (not 10x longer > and 2x worse than RT), accept a problem or just say me (and others > like me) to get off. This is simple. Right now the only result I > expected was to understand what is my problem - me or DT. If it was > me, then someone can explain the way to get a good result. > > пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:20, Pascal Obry <pas...@obry.net > <mailto:pas...@obry.net>>: > > > Hi Andrey, > > Sorry guys - nobody showed me the power of dt yet. > Thanks. Sorry for disturbance. Good luck. > > > Your messages sound like nothing will make you change your mind. > You're set on a mode where you think dt is a crap at denoising > images. So no problem. Keep using DPP is this fits your needs > best nobody ask you to use darktable. > > -- > Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) > > The best way to travel is by means of imagination > > http://photos.obry.net > http://www.obry.net > > gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net <http://keys.gnupg.net> > --recv-key F949BD3B > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
