Thank you for the detailed answer. It is worth placing on DT's main page. пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 17:47, Rolf Meyerhoff <r...@matrix44.de>:
> Hi, > > if you have followed the UI refactoring discussion lately then you will > have noticed that the intended target audience for DT are programmers > and graphics nerds who really know what each module does, in which order > the modules have to be edited, how the modules interact with each other, > when to use wavelets, how to add masks and blending modes and so on. DT > is not intended to be used by novices and casual users who just want > nice looking images. > > However, look at it from the positive side: If you at some point got a > result that is actually on par with the competition's two slider > solutions then you have learned a lot about the deep internals of image > processing, camera curves, color spaces, blending modes, masks, > demosaicing, wavelets and so on. Maybe you will at some point encounter > an image that needs more treatment than the typical two slider solutions > can handle and then you know what to do. > > When I really have to denoise an image in DT then I use a five stage > process. First I use the raw denoise with a fairly low level to remove a > bit of noise prior to the demosaicing. The demosaicing itself affects > the shape of the noise in later stages so editing this is crucial for me > (at least with Fuji X-Trans). After the demosaicing I use two profile > denoisers, one for chroma and one for luma, again with fairly low > levels, optimized blending settings and dark area masks. > > Later when I have done my exposure work I use the equalizer to get rid > of the remaining noise (again with mask). Finally I play with the levels > and masks of all these stages to get the best result. Sometimes I add a > tiny bit of grain and/or dithering at the end to smooth out the > processing artifacts and to make the result visually more pleasing. > > I know that seems a lot of work but at least this gets me really close > to the result that I can achieve with the free CaptureOne version that > came with my camera. I don't need denoising very often as my camera has > fairly good high Iso capabilities and a nice grain pattern to the noise. > So noise is not that big of a problem for me (at least it's not big > enough to reboot to Windows just for denoising). > > Am 05.11.2018 um 14:48 schrieb Andrey: > > I like DT. I've spent a lot of time exploring related materials, > > trying to get most of nr. I prepared a demonstrative picture and asked > > people to teach me (time to time - forums and irc channel - last 2 > > years). Yes, I keep using DPP. What is the point of my last try here > > you think?! To sit on a mode? To wave a flag? If DT were a crap, we > > wouldn't talk here. I point out the problem - you point out my > > thoughts and mode I sit on. What is wrong? You say, that we have a > > great power with DT. Teach people to get a best result (not 10x longer > > and 2x worse than RT), accept a problem or just say me (and others > > like me) to get off. This is simple. Right now the only result I > > expected was to understand what is my problem - me or DT. If it was > > me, then someone can explain the way to get a good result. > > > > пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 15:20, Pascal Obry <pas...@obry.net > > <mailto:pas...@obry.net>>: > > > > > > Hi Andrey, > > > > Sorry guys - nobody showed me the power of dt yet. > > Thanks. Sorry for disturbance. Good luck. > > > > > > Your messages sound like nothing will make you change your mind. > > You're set on a mode where you think dt is a crap at denoising > > images. So no problem. Keep using DPP is this fits your needs > > best nobody ask you to use darktable. > > > > -- > > Pascal Obry / Magny Les Hameaux (78) > > > > The best way to travel is by means of imagination > > > > http://photos.obry.net > > http://www.obry.net > > > > gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net <http://keys.gnupg.net> > > --recv-key F949BD3B > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > > ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
