* Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> [11-05-18 15:02]: > New feature (filters stack widget) to rearrange filters, pin filter to > apply changes in place where it was initiated :) > *It's not clear where the last change (on top of the history) is applied. > > > пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 22:29, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com>: > > > I like the last photo. I think that really captures the essence of > > darktable. :-) > > > > I stopped at the denoise and didn't really set out to finish processing > > the image, so the colors on the bear aren't the same. However, the detail > > is still there and wasn't affected by the denoising. I did blow the > > highlights a little while I was processing and didn't bring them back in. > > > > I actually used fewer denoising modules and less denoising to achieve a > > better result. The key to denoising in darktable, is making sure that the > > image is ready to denoise. If you apply the basecurve, which happens > > automatically, it amplifies the noise tremendously. When you try and > > denoise, you then end up with the rainbow effects. I ran DPP, RT, and DT > > all at the same time. I then adjusted DT's image (histogram) until it was > > similar to RT. I then applied the gamma curve from DPP to both of them. > > At that point there wasn't a lot of noise in the RT or DT image, so > > denoisiing them became a simple process. I actually denoised DT's image > > quicker because I only used 3 modules and 2 blending modes. It took longer > > to work my way through RT's sliders and drop downs. :-) > > > > On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 3:05 AM Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> I like your work. We have got a nice bench, lever is ok, but the bear.. > >> darktable vs dpp: > >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1G026G5va8h-V8Mqn0HlghslN7vKnfvwG > >> darktable vs rawtherapee: > >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=15hxaZDOh0Cqrs3IptcEdH_kPjSuu-NR9 > >> I've tried to recover the bear, but my result is still far from > >> competitors (shadows are awful too). > >> Don't you see it's too complex for regular users? I've tried to combine > >> several denoise tools with no luck (unlike you). > >> We both spent too much time with single image doing something on a hunch. > >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1xWAXmF2_I7BD2XnLgGABoQMMf3ATDBC4 > >> One could expect super quality from these tons of sliders, switches and > >> so on. But we can't get it work like single tool in RT or DPP. > >> Rule of thumb: *do not* process noisy image with darktable. > >> Could DT just borrow denoise tool from RT? It's very clear, simple and > >> makes a great result. > >> > >> > >> пн, 5 нояб. 2018 г. в 7:24, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com>: > >> > >>> I loaded DPP and played with the image to see how Canon processed it. > >>> Then, I went back to darktable and tried again. > >>> > >>> Here's what I came up with. > >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1sM3oq7EDWXtAdqWyMMqwENcf1oP7wK_G > >>> > >>> XMP is attached. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Nov 4, 2018 at 3:25 AM Andrey <parihaar...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Just compare the pictures side by side. Your result is rather good for > >>>> DT, not for RT or Canon DPP. > >>>> Stains, colored lever, bear's fur is blured. > >>>> Look at this: > >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1_s1WzY2D_fgxTs0sjP4ygsPUcnf_GfkA > >>>> Pay attention to history and NR tool clarity. > >>>> DT may replace all denoise tools with just a huge list of denoise > >>>> profiles. We will try to apply one by one untill good enough result. > >>>> > >>>> вс, 4 нояб. 2018 г. в 2:10, Per Inge Oestmoen <p...@coldsiberia.org>: > >>>> > >>>>> I noticed that this image shows major loss of contrast and there are > >>>>> large amounts of noice in the shadows: > >>>>> > >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28/view > >>>>> > >>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > Andrey wrote: > >>>>> > I've spent a huge amount of time watching youtube videos, reading > >>>>> > different tutorials and testing all the tools DT has. > >>>>> > Here are the crops you may look at: > >>>>> > https://drive.google.com/open?id=1rqPfr8rHalwvbjJ03Ho-pze4Uxsq3ggh > >>>>> > DT gives unacceptable result. I've tried to pop this theme up year by > >>>>> > year - without any success. > >>>>> > DT is a great tool, you are men.. but! One of the most fundamental > >>>>> > functions is useless compared to opensource competitor (!). > >>>>> > DT's target audience are bachelors of mathematics with cameras (for a > >>>>> > while). > >>>>> > I will pray for you to get DT close to regular users. > >>>>> > Thanks for feedback. And sorry for my english. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > сб, 3 нояб. 2018 г. в 21:05, William Ferguson <wpfergu...@gmail.com > >>>>> > <mailto:wpfergu...@gmail.com>>: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Try this... > >>>>> > > >>>>> > To add the styles to darktable - save the styles, then in > >>>>> lighttable > >>>>> > mode open the styles dialog and click import, select the files, > >>>>> then > >>>>> > import them. Each one is standalone, so if you start with 1 and > >>>>> > it's not enough then you try 2, 2 will overwrite 1. The higher > >>>>> the > >>>>> > number the stronger the settings and I add more modules. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Hope this helps, > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Bill > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 12:59 PM Andrey L <parihaar...@gmail.com > >>>>> > <mailto:parihaar...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Hello, guys. Canon DPP makes me crazy, but DT is unable > >>>>> > to compete with neither Canon DPP, nor RawTherapee :( > >>>>> > Could you please pay some attention to DarkTable's noise > >>>>> removal > >>>>> > opportunities? > >>>>> > I have to spend senconds with Canon DPP to suppress noise on > >>>>> > high-iso image, > >>>>> > I need minutes to get a good result in RawThrerapee, but > >>>>> nobody > >>>>> > can spend hours > >>>>> > to make bad result with tons of noise reduction tools. > >>>>> Please, > >>>>> > break the last barrier to DT :`| > >>>>> > Here my example: > >>>>> > original image: > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNMnJlTzgwcHZOdTA > >>>>> > canon dpp: > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNc1RoWW9kN3d3V0k > >>>>> > rawtherapee: > >>>>> > > >>>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bz9fwFLCJOjNNnZWNjVSYXhaX28 > >>>>> > > >>>>> > The best efforts In general lead to green noise on barbells. > >>>>> > It's too complex problem for regular photographer. > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail > >>>>> to > >>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > >>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>>>> > <mailto:darktable-dev%2bunsubscr...@lists.darktable.org> > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> > darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > >>>>> > darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Noise Reduction is just another word for Image Destruction. > >>>>> > >>>>> Per Inge Oestmoen, Norway > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> ___________________________________________________________________________ > >>> darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to > >>> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > >>> > >> > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > darktable developer mailing list > to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >
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