Hi folks, another user viewpoint here. This from a long time dt user with some small understanding of the internals.
Personally I’m happy with the tones dt provides and the vast majority of shots ‘just work’ and produce an attractive result needing no adjustment to the processing. This is a tribute to the (however flawed) base curve concept. Now I have no interest in exactly reproducing the native camera results but I do appreciate having something similar (there is after all a reason why many, many years ago I chose Pentax kit) so having multiple pre-sets (base curves) available is a valuable facility. I guess just one user pre-set that I could customise myself would do but it would probably discourage the new and casual user. Now if there is a better way to do things internally, and it sounds as if there is a much better way than base curves, then great. But please do leave it possible to choose a pre-set that provides attractive results for most shots out of the box and (ideally) supports different vaguely camera-similar pre-sets as well. I enjoy spending a lot of time with dt getting as much as possible out of some shots but that is only 1% of my photography and if every shot needed manual adjustment it would drive even me away, and new users would run a mile! (I’m old school and grew up on slide film so I work to get it right in the camera and hopefully don’t have to post-process most shots – appreciate not everyone works that way). And as always – thanks for all the work and such a magnificent tool! Rob. From: François Tissandier [mailto:francois.tissand...@gmail.com] Sent: 29 May 2019 07:00 Cc: darktable <darktable-dev@lists.darktable.org> Subject: Re: [darktable-dev] DT bad on skin tones? "I personally think darktable should default to a neutral look (dark and ugly), but not all the dev team agrees." It all depends what target you have for Darktable. There are probably and surely not only pro photographers using it, and I'm not sure if all the passionate amateurs are doing enough homework to know all the theory and understand enough about the pixelpipe. I do not, apparently. I tried to document myself a bit over the years, but apparently, I still have a lot to learn :) I still don't think that an "expert" app like Darktable should be too oriented to real experts in the field, but i'm not the devs, it's your baby and you decide. I'm one of the target for the app, there must be others like me. I'm using tutorials to improve, reading also, but having an app that is both able to go deep in the editing, but without being too complicated to use at first seems like a good a balance. As you said Aurélien, if you show first a very dark flat and ugly image to users, most of the newcomers may just leave. If the default modules are, by design, a poor choice or broken (like the infamous base curve), that's also a problem. I'm not saying that all users must be assisted and pampered like babies, but a good compromise can be found. Again, it's all in the hands of the devs, and the kind of users you want for Darktable. I'm just giving my point of view as the "passionate photographer who doesn't know enough yet". François On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 7:49 AM Florian W <flo.wern...@gmail.com<mailto:flo.wern...@gmail.com>> wrote: @Paul Appart from the manual, there's several people on youtube either presenting what you can do module per module and what effect on an image can be expected for each slider (technical approach), or doing screen recording of photographs edit (retouch/artistic approach) for a full processing or targeted to a specific issue (a common one : noise reduction). Some do both. It is advised to watch these in 1080p quality. Sometimes seeing the effect in live on several photographs of different type (portrait, street, architectural...) is really a good complement of the textual + photo description of the manual. Checkout (if not already done) Robert Hutton (english), Rawfiner , carafife and Aurélien Pierre (french if you speak it). Aurélien has a some video on filmic that are really helpful to understand the technical aspect of the module, which can be a good help for getting the result you want with it. I would be surprised that none of these resource have no equivalent in other languages too. For the retouch process, more based on what you want to improve rather than the tool to perform it, there's also a lot of information targeted to Lightroom users in textual and videos on the internet. Florian Wernert Software engineer INSA In-training Neuroscience researcher https://www.linkedin.com/in/wernertflorian Le mer. 29 mai 2019 à 07:00, Andreas Schneider <a...@cryptomilk.org<mailto:a...@cryptomilk.org>> a écrit : On Wednesday, May 29, 2019 5:48:30 AM CEST paul sorenson wrote: > This thread is fascinating to me. Are there resources out there for > those who want to learn a more technical approach to editing with > Darktable. As has been mentioned elsewhere, the manual kind of presents > modules in isolation eg the base curve docs don't come with a warning - > well maybe a hint in the tip at the end. > > I am using 2.7 built from source with base curve turned off but still > tend to use filmic a bit by the seat of the pants. As always there are several ways to contribute to a Free and Open Source project. 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