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> > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 18:00:25 +0100
> > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem <hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com>
> > To: Patrick Shanahan <p...@opensuse.org>, darktable forum
> > <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> > Subject: Re: ****SPAM(2.9)**** Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
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> > Hartelijke groet,
> > Hieke van Hoogdalem
> >
> >
> > Op 08-02-2022 17:35 heeft Patrick Shanahan <p...@opensuse.org>
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> > > Content preview: I managed to have the gradient mask do what I
> want – I had
> > > to invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed.
> Hartelijke groet, Hieke
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> > > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 17:24:42 +0100
> > > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem <hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com>
> > > To: Terry Pinfold <terry.pinf...@utas.edu.au>, Remco Viëtor
> > > <remco.vie...@wanadoo.fr>
> > > CC: darktable forum <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
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> > > I managed to have the gradient mask do what I want – I had to
> invert it. I finally managed to get what I needed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hartelijke groet,
> > >
> > > Hieke van Hoogdalem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Van: Hieke van Hoogdalem <hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com>
> > > Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 13:08
> > > Aan: Terry Pinfold <terry.pinf...@utas.edu.au>, Remco Viëtor <
> remco.vie...@wanadoo.fr>
> > > CC: darktable forum <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tnx. I also did that (new instance, adjust exposure slider) but
> like I said: it effected the whole image.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 'First master the basics'… well… if the lines are too harsh,
> getting rid of those is part of the basics as far as I'm concerned.
> Otherwise it doesn't look like the masks aren't being mastered at all.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So yes, I get those basics, but like I said before: I don't get
> this to be applied to my mask. That's why I asked about the blend mode
> before. I tried the feather and blur and so on, but it doesn't work,
> because it starts wrong with everything being applied to the complete image.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hartelijke groet,
> > >
> > > Hieke van Hoogdalem
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Van: Terry Pinfold <terry.pinf...@utas.edu.au>
> > > Datum: dinsdag 8 februari 2022 om 06:51
> > > Aan: Hieke van Hoogdalem <hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com>, Remco
> Viëtor <remco.vie...@wanadoo.fr>
> > > CC: darktable forum <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> > > Onderwerp: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Hieke,
> > >
> > > with respect I say that you seem confused about working
> with masks. I hope the following explanation may help you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar
> to how I would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To
> achieve this with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and
> adjust the exposure slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment
> and will return to it later). This adjustment moves the whole of the
> image's exposure, but then I use the drawn mask option which looks like a
> crayon. I then often use the add path option to very roughly select the
> area I want to apply the effect to. The transition will be harsh and
> obvious. To fix this problem I then move the feather radius and blurring
> radius sliders about a third of the way to the right (amount may vary
> between images). This feathering and blurring then creates an invisible
> transition. I return to the exposure slider and fine turn the strength of
> the effect.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Forget the blend mode options until you have mastered basic
> masking techniques.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Hieke van Hoogdalem <hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 8 February 2022 7:40 AM
> > > To: Remco Viëtor <remco.vie...@wanadoo.fr>
> > > Cc: darktable forum <darktable-user@lists.darktable.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [darktable-user] Mask won't apply
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The last image that needs a bit of tweaking is this one, because
> of the 2 very white stripes in the left bottom. I wanted to make that part
> a little less bright but I couldn't figure out how. The tone equalizer
> didn't help and the filmic module is too hard to understand for me. I
> copied and pasted both the image and the history so you get the context as
> well, for instance the inversion. (See attached file.)
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Hieke van Hoogdalem
> > >
> > >
> > > Op 07-02-2022 19:09 heeft Hieke van Hoogdalem <
> hieke.vanhoogda...@gmail.com> geschreven:
> > >
> > > Hi Remco,
> > >
> > > Tnx. Yes I always check the dates of tutorials. This one was 2
> years old so I already expected some UI items to be different. I mainly
> followed this one because he explains how to apply a mask including the use
> of the mouse Where to click etc. with free forms... I didn't manage to get
> that right before.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tips, I do work with scene referred RGB indeed.
> "Keep in mind that in your case, masking and reducing exposition can lead
> to strange tone transitions at the edges. That's why I suggested tone
> equaliser or filmic adjustments instead of masking." Towing (?) the
> exposure down gave weird results indeed. The tone equalizer was - almost -
> exactly what I needed. You saved this image! Merci mille fois! Je
> t'embrasse tès fort et je te donne un grand bisoux __
> > >
> > > There are other images too though wich need a mask, but for
> several different reasons. So I'm still looking for learning to work with
> masks. I have until the end of this week - up until and including Thursday
> actually - for making these changes and entering my pix for a contest.
> > >
> > > And yes, I see the yellow part. What about it? __
> > >
> > > Cordialement,
> > > Hieke van Hoogdalem
> > >
> > >
> > > Op 07-02-2022 18:38 heeft Remco Viëtor <
> remco.vie...@wanadoo.fr> geschreven:
> > >
> > > On lundi 7 février 2022 18:19:57 CET Hieke van Hoogdalem
> wrote:
> > > > Hi there,
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to apply masks. The idea is simple, but I
> can't get it working. I
> > > > searched for YouTube tutorials, but they don't cover my
> problem.
> > > >(...)
> > > > So here's the situation. I have this image that I had to
> brighten up quite a
> > > > bit, but now a small part is overexposed. I want to use
> a mask to bring
> > > > that down. But… when I draw a mask and change the
> exposure, it's being
> > > > applied to the complete image. (Yes, I did create a new
> instance in the
> > > > expose module before I started to create the mask.)
> > > If you are using the scene-referred workflow, you could
> use the tone equaliser
> > > for this (or perhaps adjust filmic).
> > >
> > > As for the mask, did you visualise it ("circle in square"
> icon next to "mask
> > > refinement) and did it show the area you wanted to mask
> (yellow) ?
> > >
> > > > I found this tutorial that showed something about 'blend
> mode' and telling
> > > > that 'normal' applies to the complete image. You have to
> chose 'mask'. But
> > > > when I click on 'blend mode' I get a much larger list
> without the option
> > > > 'mask'.
> > > I haven't seen a "mask" option in blendmode ever (that is,
> the last few
> > > years). I found that I always have to check the date on
> any kind of tutorial,
> > > as changes are rather fast (not only for darktable) .
> > > >
> > > > What can I do to make this work?
> > > First we have to know what went wrong...
> > > Keep in mind that in your case, masking and reducing
> exposition can lead to
> > > strange tone transitions at the edges. That's why I
> suggested tone equaliser
> > > or filmic adjustments instead of masking.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > so basically, your mask was not applied to the area you intended?
> >
> >
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> I do not understand you problem with reading mail. the replies you send
> to me and to the list, all contain my posts.
>
>
>
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--Hi Hieke,
I am posting my reply again from my gmail server rather than my
University server. I apologise that I can not control if my post appears at
the top or bottom of the list. The server does whatever the server wants to
do. I have also tried to attach a screenshot for clarity.
With respect I say that you seem confused about working with masks. I hope
the following explanation may help you. Masks for me are the whole reason I
love using DT compared to alternative programs.
I often want to brighten or darken a section of an image, similar to how I
would have dodged or burned in a traditional film darkroom. To achieve this
with a digital image I make a new instance of exposure and adjust the
exposure slider (sometimes I deliberately overdo the adjustment and will
return to it later). This adjustment moves the whole of the image's
exposure, but then I use the drawn mask option which looks like a crayon. I
then often use the add path option to very roughly select the area I want
to apply the effect to. The transition will be harsh and obvious. To fix
this problem I then move the feather radius and blurring radius sliders
about a third of the way to the right (amount may vary between images).
This feathering and blurring then creates an invisible transition. I return
to the exposure slider and fine turn the strength of the effect.
Forget the blend mode options until you have mastered basic masking
techniques.
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