Re: [Dataperf] Flyweight Database

Wed, 06 Sep 2006 00:12:01 -0700

Hi Tony and others,
 
In regards to the flyweight database, Hernan asks is there any place for a non-Windows database.
 
Modern database products are not driven in Windows they are driven thru the web, and as such they basically transfer text back and forth, and the concept of Windows or non-Windows is fairly academic. MySQL got to the popularity it has, despite initially not having a graphical user interface to manage it, later on it got an admin console, but initially it was bare...  When you use MySQL the interface is what you make of the client front end....  DataPerfect can already be considered a database without an interface when you use it across the web, it then has a bonus of being able to use it in text mode, to define applications, thats far far better than MySQL or other similar databases.
 
I see two problems with DataPerfect in the web space...  Firstly it does not natively run on any of the main operating systems for web servers or database servers, and two that it runs as a CGI rather than as a service, which means there is costly time to load it up each call to it, and simultaneous calls, requires multiple loading of all the code into memory.  Having said that, DPWeb is great, as low stress applications can be built very quickly and robustly. 
 
In terms of financial applications, where you have many components forming a transaction, the lack of two phase commit, (either they all get saved or none gets saved) would be a worrying in terms of making a web based financial system.
 
Regards
Brian
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Perez
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2006 4:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Dataperf] Flyweight Database

Heman & Lew ... this is a very interesting discussion that I hope many DP'ers will chime into. Draper is a very well known and respected name in the VC community. If they are calling out for a "flyweight database", there must be a reason. A saying in Spanish states "cuando el rio suena, agua lleva" ... "when the river sounds, it carries water".
 
Coincidentally with this "nugget" are the article in the August 16, 2006 issue of Forbes regarding Larry Ellison's stronghold on Oracle and an assignment I've been working on since May.
 
I encourage all DP'ers to read the Forbes article as it addresses issues that open windows for applications such as we all grasp as DPWeb.
 
As to the assignment, I consult with a developer of manufactured home parks. These parks are gaining popularity as affordable housing in areas such as California where home prices are out-of-reach for the great majority. I was asked today to put together a "billing system" using QuickBooks. I can plough through QB and get somewhere with the billing system. But I know, I can do more for our long-term needs and growth using an internet version of DP.
 
I cannot forget those wonderful uses of DP we saw at the Conference in Huntington Beach ... coincidentally ... Labor Day weekend 2004 ... and the enthusiasm the collateral interfaces of the tow truck operation in Arizona and Colin's and Brian's brilliant work in the southern hemisphere produced.
 
I am definitely interested in thrusting my development efforts to a DPWeb solution. I look forward to our community's comments.
 
All the best to all,
Tony
 
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Heman
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 4:35 PM
To: 'DataPerfect Users Discussion Group'
Subject: RE: [Dataperf] Flyweight Database

My guess is, and I’ve not visited with these guys directly yet, though I’ve sought audience, is the handheld market, embedded markets, etc.

 

Heman

 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Friedman
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 5:26 PM
To: DataPerfect Users Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [Dataperf] Flyweight Database

 

Heman,

Great to see you around. Been a long time.

I wondered whatever happened to the flyweight database market. Is anyone out there making money at it? And what makes us think that a non-windows DP could have a place there?

Don Friedman
Pittsburgh, PA

On 9/5/06, Heman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Guys, I just had a fun conversation with Lew.  He and I discussed an article in the September issue of Business 2.0, the 20 Smartest Companies To Start Now.  Number 2 in the article is a VC looking for a flyweight database.  The article isn't posted online yet as I write this, but could be shortly.  Lew and I would like any and all comments back regarding DataPerfect's fit in addressing the need stated here.  Bruce & Thom, would you two comment and engage on this discussion in particular?  Thanks,

 

In a nutshell, the article states: Draper (the VC) loves startups that can upend corporate giants with simple products and cheap technology.  Oracle, IBM, and Microsoft have had a stranglehold on the $13.8 billion database business for more than a decade, and while newer players like MySQL are making a dent, Draper thinks there's an opening for a startup that can deliver most of the benefits of standard Big Blue products without millions of lines of code or an army of consultants and IT managers.

 

This little article blurb lends me to think (and Lew as well) that DP would play well here.  We intend to discover the reality of that. So please chime in and give some input and feedback.  I've started my investigation to discover more specifically what this guy is looking for, and preparing for a presentation to them. 

 

Thanks,

 

Heman

+1.801.368.9398

 

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